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tripicana Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2003 Posts: 1164 Location: colorado springs
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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just curious, do you put sealer on both case halves, or just one? |
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vince1 Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2003 Posts: 823 Location: Burgundy, France
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gerg a.k.a. 6volt65
Joined: April 25, 2003 Posts: 5454 Location: Monroe, LA
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: |
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I see you used TS second rings. I was going to do the same on my refresh but decided not to after reading here. How did they work out for you? I read about ring flutter . . .
Back to the subject, I used Curil K2 last time and now have some Curil T. Probably stick with the K2 because the T looks too thick too me - anyone have any problems with T? _________________ Gerg
. . . I got 99 problems and my bus ain't one . . .
'65 Sunroof Beetle
'65 Vert
'60 Singlecab |
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typ4 Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2005 Posts: 39 Location: newberg or
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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I have used Aviation permatex, gaskacinch, and indian head, all have worked.
My latest choice is pink subaru seal , like yamabond and curil. NO leaks.
Hylomar has all but disapered from what I can see. Does 518 really work, I have used it on heavy equipment but never a vw case, I thought it might shear with the case movement.
The biggest mess was one put together with bathroom silicone. Some people!! |
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craigman Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 2397 Location: redding
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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I used 518 on my type 1 build. Used it instead of a gasket for the oil pump. Worked great! NO leaks! |
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Beatles_1969 Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 179 Location: Jamestown Ny
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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I use Fuji Bond from Subaru since that`s where I work |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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typ4 wrote: |
The biggest mess was one put together with bathroom silicone. |
Gotta watch out for those crackheads. _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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ap_sand Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 249 Location: Woodinville, WA
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: |
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I found a good supply of NOS Hylomar under the Locktite lable at "Z&M Jeeps". They are selling the 1 oz tubes for $2. Shipping was $10, but I bought 10 tubes so total was under $3 a tube. That's less then the old, yellowed price sticker.
I haven't pierced the top of any of the tubes yet so I don't know the condition of the product, but it yields nicely to a gentle squeeze.
I came across this in the beginning of December, but with the price so good, I wanted to make sure I at least received the product before bringing it up here. According to the tracking records, it's been sitting in the UPS depot about 5 miles from my house for the past month!
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GeorgeL Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2006 Posts: 7346
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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ap_sand wrote: |
I found a good supply of NOS Hylomar under the Locktite lable at "Z&M Jeeps" |
Permatex is distributing Hylomar again, but this time in the original Hylomar tubes and "Racing Blue" formulation rather than the "Permatex HPF" version that they formerly sold under license. You can get it at Harbor Freight.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97824 |
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magilla Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2007 Posts: 47 Location: Little Rock, AR
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: So, what to use for cylinder bases? |
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I used Loctite 518 on the case halves and everywhere but the case hardware (nuts and washers) and cylinder / shim to case joint.
There I used Permatex 3H.
On first engine run, everything was leak-tight EXCEPT the cylinders, which leaked like a sieve. The 3H was not enough.
I have another thread out there on 2276 rebuild oil leak, and so far, I have heard:
1) Yamabond
2) Red RTV
for the cylinder bases.
What do you use for cylinders? _________________ Spencer Robinson
Valley Engineering 2276 cc Aero Engine for a tractor gyrocopter.
Compufire DIS IX Ignition
Holley Carb
84" Prop!! |
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flashburn2020 Samba Member
Joined: July 25, 2005 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: case/cylinder base sealer |
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Permatex Aviation on the case halves, and Permatex Ultra Black RTV under the cylinders (as thin as possible-don't get sloppy with it). Both sealers can be tough to clean up during a tear down (especially the Ultra Black RTV), but if you're building an engine that is going to stay together for a long period of time (hopefully), these are what I recommend
Make sure you clean any surface to be sealed with laquer thinner
I tried the hylomar for the first time on my latest engine, and have a small leak. Oh well, I should've stayed with what has never leaked on me in 25 years. Good Luck |
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typ4 Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2005 Posts: 39 Location: newberg or
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I use grey rtv on cylinder bases.
Harbor freight is selling hylomar racing sealer and it works good for case halves according to most folks I know.
The first hylomar permatex sold was way too runny, it was sold as a "gasket dressing". |
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clay ford Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2008 Posts: 1120 Location: Cheyenne, wy
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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the yamabond works well but is very difficult to scrape off next time you do a rebuild i used it on my motorcycle |
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4518 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Yamabond comes off with laquer thinner, it also is the best way I have found to remove 518. Basically laquer thinner is about the best cleaner for any of the gasket sealers including silicone. |
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jon-boy Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2009 Posts: 76 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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typ4 wrote: |
I use grey rtv on cylinder bases. |
How do you apply? do you still use paper gaskets? When you say bases, I picture just the bottom half, but are you referring to the entire base that fits into the case? |
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ADRIAN'S Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2009 Posts: 5 Location: VISTA CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
Permatex Aviation will work.
Never ever use any silicone form-a-gasket. |
WELL, MOTORCYCLE GASKET MAKER SEAL PERFECT, AND IT'S A SILICON SEALER, I USED 1000 OF TIMES AND WORKS THE BEST,THREEBOND 12-11 IT'S AVIABLE AT THE MOTOCYCLES SHOPS...IT'S A FOR SURE NO LEAKS.... |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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ADRIAN'S wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
Permatex Aviation will work.
Never ever use any silicone form-a-gasket. |
WELL, MOTORCYCLE GASKET MAKER SEAL PERFECT, AND IT'S A SILICON SEALER, I USED 1000 OF TIMES AND WORKS THE BEST,THREEBOND 12-11 IT'S AVIABLE AT THE MOTOCYCLES SHOPS...IT'S A FOR SURE NO LEAKS.... |
Again, PLEASE STOP YELLING! _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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satterley_sr wrote: |
I just wanted to bitch but I'm getting no sympathy. |
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cwrisley Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 343 Location: Escondido, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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jon-boy wrote: |
How do you apply? do you still use paper gaskets? When you say bases, I picture just the bottom half, but are you referring to the entire base that fits into the case? |
I have the same question. Any help? |
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Sigurd Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2006 Posts: 2639 Location: Rockford, IL
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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To my knowledge, there are no paper gaskets for the bigger cylinders. When I did my 94s, I dabbed a little on the lip that sits on the case. Don't put any on the part of the cylinder that slides into the case. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:52 am Post subject: |
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I use some Ultra Copper on the base of the cylinders... no paper. _________________ Glenn
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