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hitest
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What a bargain for that incredible match and quality! As usual, I bought hastily last summer and have black screens. Premature etentulation... 
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BulliBill
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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Has anyone who has done a pop-top canvas replacement done a nice "how-to" thread on this job, showing what tools and staple gun and staples, etc. will be needed?
For that matter, is there a "how-to" thread on properly splicing in a Westfalia pop-top roof section onto a tin-top Bus (tips and what to avoid). I think this job is in my immediate future.
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BulliBill
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I am all mixed up.
So you are saying that when I install the canvas, I should fold the canvas back down over the plastic trim piece after stapling it in place? I thought the trim was supposed to be exposed to view.
Here is a photo of Triple6's poptop, which shows the strip, and staples, in plain view. See it at the top of the photo? It is definitely unchanged from original.
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On the original pop-top roof section that I have stored away, the canvas is folded over the plastic strip and it and the staples are hidden from view, not as seen in the photo above. I'll try to get it out and snap a photo or two later. I'll be ordering a new tent material assembly from Helmut shortly the replace the original one on the pop-top roof section.
There are still a few sections of the old dried up Westy rubber top-to-roof seal, and I'll try to add photos of the cross-section of the seal. There is a metal "U" shaped barbed channel imbedded inside the rubber seal to help it clamp to the fiberglass roof edge.
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srfndoc
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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That's correct, the picture you posted shows it done incorrectly. You can see it properly done in the remnants of this one:
Of course its always possible that it was done both ways depending on the installer at Westfalia that day. I think it looks cleaner with the tack strip hidden.
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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| On every one of these that I have seen, the staples are rusty. Would like to find s/s staples. Anyone know if they exist for a T-50 type stapler? Or for any stapler, for that matter? |
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srfndoc
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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| On every one of these that I have seen, the staples are rusty. Would like to find s/s staples. Anyone know if they exist for a T-50 type stapler? Or for any stapler, for that matter? |
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Arrow-Fastener-T50-3-8-.../100553013
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If I were to do a fold over that brings my screen opening all the way to the top. Is that what I should do?
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| Major Woody wrote: |
I am all mixed up.
So you are saying that when I install the canvas, I should fold the canvas back down over the plastic trim piece after stapling it in place? I thought the trim was supposed to be exposed to view.
Here is a photo of Triple6's poptop, which shows the strip, and staples, in plain view. See it at the top of the photo? It is definitely unchanged from original.
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On the original pop-top roof section that I have stored away, the canvas is folded over the plastic strip and it and the staples are hidden from view, not as seen in the photo above. I'll try to get it out and snap a photo or two later. I'll be ordering a new tent material assembly from Helmut shortly the replace the original one on the pop-top roof section.
There are still a few sections of the old dried up Westy rubber top-to-roof seal, and I'll try to add photos of the cross-section of the seal. There is a metal "U" shaped barbed channel imbedded inside the rubber seal to help it clamp to the fiberglass roof edge.
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If I were to do a fold over that brings my screen opening all the way to the top. Is that what I should do?
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That's how the original's were done although by the looks of your replacement canvas, that may not be doable.
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This is hard to explain. You do not fold the material over the trim piece as pictured. You need to fold the material out of your way and only staple the black seam from the backside. I really wish I could show you... you're on the wrong side of the material in this picture. AFTER it folds over the strip it will be as pictured with the strip behind. If you folded and stapled as pictured, your staples would be exposed anyhow!
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If I were to do a fold over that brings my screen opening all the way to the top. Is that what I should do?
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That's how the original's were done although by the looks of your replacement canvas, that may not be doable. |
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jeremy57ride
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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Ain't pretty... but maybe?? 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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This picture shows it pretty well as part of the canvas is ripped away so you can get a better idea of how it was done:
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hitest
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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Think hoodie. You more or less drape the canvas over your head and staple it upward- remembering inside vs. outside. While you are stapling- you are looking straight out into blue sky through your open top because it is hanging over your head like the veil of a freshly revealed bride!
I started after numerous test fits from the center of each straight section- working toward the corners to get the tension close. Then you pull it back over yourself and let it hang from the tack strip- if that makes sense.
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LAGrunthaner
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:36 am Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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Now I see what I have wrong. yea, yea that's the perfect photo finish, thanks crofty.
I finally located all the hardware and halted the install because I need new elastic lock nuts which I am guessing will be difficult to locate.
Now I can see what you drew jeremy57ride, I'm so glad I didn't staple it in yesterday.
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Got it thanks srfndoc.
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This picture shows it pretty well as part of the canvas is ripped away so you can get a better idea of how it was done:
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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I'm pretty sure this is correct so just checking before I pop the staples in. Biggest problem now is the fit, it seems short going around, note lower left of last photo. Is there a method to getting it in? Like with putting lug nuts on a wheel do I go back & forth for fit or start in one spot and try and stretch it into place?
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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Mine is nailed to the wood per original. Id only do that after you install the canvas completely.
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jeremy57ride
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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Do not jump around with the staples. I centered the front window screen and worked around in one direction. Again- I recall just catching the black seem with all of the yellow material exposed. Once you've stapled the front part of the material... center the side screen on one side and staple that side... and repeat on the other screen side. Finally, staple the back, which frankly is what it is... at this point it may not come out perfect, but hopefully the screens will look fit.
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LAGrunthaner
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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Nails may be what I use because I'm not happy with how my electric stable gun is working out. Or at least under the plastic strip
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| Mine is nailed to the wood per original. Id only do that after you install the canvas completely. |
OK Starting at the front grabbing a bit of that black band too then side window to side window. Can you tell me if it is stapled at the yellow canvas directly first then the plastic strip or is it stapled only through the plastic strip onto the yellow canvas?
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| Do not jump around with the staples. I centered the front window screen and worked around in one direction. Again- I recall just catching the black seem with all of the yellow material exposed. Once you've stapled the front part of the material... center the side screen on one side and staple that side... and repeat on the other screen side. Finally, staple the back, which frankly is what it is... at this point it may not come out perfect, but hopefully the screens will look fit. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Q: SO-42 poptop material colour...? |
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Finally located a decent staple gun to rent but having some trouble "after stapling in the yellow poptop from GOwesty.com. It is short and I pulled it going around......contacting them now. Am I doing something wrong?
Not sure what to do, is it possible they made it short?
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