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doc hopper Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2006 Posts: 588 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:47 am Post subject: Starts Instantly .... the first time only |
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Due to the number of VW's in my fleet I rotate them around. When, after a week at the side of the house, it's time to fire up my 66 bug (new 1600 DP with 30/31 carb, SVDA distributor from Aircooled.net ) it starts instantly. I pull it out, park it out of the way, shut it off, and pull my 70 out of the garage to make room for the 66.
When I try to start the 66 now, the engine spins normally but takes forever to catch, and then even with the throttle held to the floor it's as though it's running on one cylinder.... then two ..... then three.... and finally it's running normally.
After that, it's less of a problem, but still .... I come out of the grocery store after letting it sit for 20 minutes and it sometimes just takes forever to catch. (After setting the choke with a single floorboard push of the accelerator).
On the road the engine performs beautifully; no hesitation, no flat spots... just runs great.
I could understand the reluctance to start after sitting for a week... but instant start in that regard and then being hard to start the second time? _________________ "Honesty hath no fence against superior cunning" |
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khoranoff Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2013 Posts: 18 Location: Vista Ca
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:13 am Post subject: |
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My 67 is the same way, interested so se if there is any fix for this. _________________ 1967 sedan "Fritz" |
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khoranoff Samba Member
Joined: December 04, 2013 Posts: 18 Location: Vista Ca
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:14 am Post subject: |
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My 67 is the same way, interested so se if there is any fix for this. _________________ 1967 sedan "Fritz" |
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FritzCP Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2005 Posts: 463 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:47 am Post subject: |
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My guess is the engine is flooding, weak coil voltage, bad needle and seat valve, too high fuel pressure
check your fuel pressure and make sure its about 2.5lbs.
when you try to start it the second/ 3rd time - push and hold the throttle wide open as you crank it see if that helps.
check voltage at the coil amke sure its 6 or 12V +, check the coil ohms. _________________ Fritz Custom Products
Fritz 10 - Tin Screw Torquer
Fritz 124 - Crank Pulley Puller
Fritz 70 - 6306 Bearing Puller
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panicman Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2011 Posts: 2290 Location: Canby, OR
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Same deal with my 40hp. I mostly drive it on weekends; I go out, step the accelerator to the floor, press in the clutch, let my foot totally off the gas, then start it... Boom, it starts immediately. When I get where I am going and then have to restart, it turns a scary number of times before it will fire limply (like you said, one cylinder at a time).
So far, I have replaced the coil, plugs and wires, re-timed the distributor, rebuilt the carb, rebuilt the VW fuel pump, and next would be the points and condenser, although mine look fine.
However, last week I fought the urge to touch the accelerator at all after the engine was warm. Normally, I hold the pedal down, or pump the gas to try to get it going. Anyway, I just got in, pressed the cutch only in, and turned the key. It boomed right to life. I did it again at home when it was time to re park the cars, and it worked. I figured I must have been flooding it a bit, so volksheime may have it. But again, try NOT doing anything with the gas pedal and see if that works. _________________ Plate of shrimp |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34002 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:03 am Post subject: |
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In the owners manuals, VW instructs to press the pedal only slightly while cranking a warm engine. I found it was best not to touch it at all when warm.
Pressing it squirts a jet through the accel pump nozzle. Moreover, the electric choke cools down far faster than the engine. So if you even TOUCH the gas pedal on a warm engine, you allow the choke plate to partially close off again, even though it is not needed. Now you have a double-rich mixture for starting. The poor running is due to the rich mixture which probably fouls the plugs, and so you are not firing on all cylinders until it dries off.
It's an old habit but fight it... no gas pedal at all other than that first start of the day. |
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doc hopper Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2006 Posts: 588 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:07 pm Post subject: Starts Instantly .... the first time only |
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Sounds reasonable.
I'll try keeping my foot away from the gas pedal for the second start. _________________ "Honesty hath no fence against superior cunning" |
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Aussiebug Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2002 Posts: 2162 Location: Adelaide Australia
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Starts Instantly .... the first time only |
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doc hopper wrote: |
Sounds reasonable.
I'll try keeping my foot away from the gas pedal for the second start. |
The accelerator pump is a "leaky" pump. If you push the throttle slowly, the fuel leaks back into the float bowl before it gets lifted to the delivery tube in the top of the carb. If you push the throttle fast, the fuel gets pushed up fast enough to reach the delivery tube.
So for cold starts... push the throttle down smartly once and let it go. This puts a single shot of fuel down the throat, and also sets the fast idle cam to hi-idle, and sets the choke to ON.
For warm starts... press the throttle slowly (so the accel pump does not operate) and hold it part way open (no pumping the throttle) whilst you crank the engine. That way you get a good flow of air into the engine, but no extra fuel, so it's less likely to flood. _________________ Rob
Rob and Dave's aircooled VW pages
Repairs and maintenance for the home mechanic
http://www.vw-resource.com |
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djshutup Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2013 Posts: 190 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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for grins when it won't start try popping off the fuel cap.
I went thru replacing and rebuilding fuel pumps all to find out the stupid original gas cap made a vacuum. _________________ 1967 Volkswagen Bug (stock). 1980 Yamaha XS400 Special II (stock). Ya I like stock classics |
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joey1320 Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: Cleveland, OH
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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My father has two 65's and he always reminds me to press the gas pedal once for a cold start and never touch the pedal again, unless the car sits for more than 6hrs.
Never given me any issues, the few random times I've driven them _________________ **1971 Super Project
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0 |
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