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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: What is the difference between the Porsche 1600 and VW? Reply with quote

I see these 1600s in the old 356's, and the oil filter and dual carb set up just looks cool when done period correct. I've seen some vw engines done in this 'style' but what is the true difference? I can move this to the 356 forum if a mod thinks it should go there.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the same differance as between a 60's Chevy 400 and a Pontiac.

VW and Porche are both 1600cc flat 4, but the parts are not interchangable.

The Porsche can be bolted to a VW transmission.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
It's the same differance as between a 60's Chevy 400 and a Pontiac.

VW and Porche are both 1600cc flat 4, but the parts are not interchangable.

The Porsche can be bolted to a VW transmission.


Anything more specific? I assumed the above, and that the porsche was built to more demanding tolerances, but this is just a question for my own education, not planning on sharing parts, just want to know the differences.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porsche is built to a higher level. But they cost more to maintain as the parts are very expensive.

If you're looking for high performance you'll be better off with a Type 1 VW engine. Parts are cheaper and there's a large selection available.

Both have the same basic configuration and parts layout.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Porsche is built to a higher level. But they cost more to maintain as the parts are very expensive.

If you're looking for high performance you'll be better off with a Type 1 VW engine. Parts are cheaper and there's a large selection available.

Both have the same basic configuration and parts layout.



Again, that was my assumption, but i'm not looking to buy a porsche engine, or install one. I am just curious as to the differences between the two.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have only a passing familiarity with the 356 engines, but I'd suggest you find a web site or a book dedicated to the 356 engines to get the information that you are looking for.

AFAIK, the 356 and the 25/36hp VW engines are very similar in layouts. I believe that the fuel pump is in the same location. The 356 heads are a real trip if you are familiar with VW engines. The exhaust ports are rectangular and the valves are at angles with each other.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOTHING is the same... I only know of 2 interchangeable parts between a TI and a 356/616 engine.

The biggest difference is the fact that a 100% STOCK 356 rebuild STARTS at 8K bucks.. Most run 10K+
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jake Raby wrote:
NOTHING is the same... I only know of 2 interchangeable parts between a TI and a 356/616 engine.

The biggest difference is the fact that a 100% STOCK 356 rebuild STARTS at 8K bucks.. Most run 10K+


i was hoping you'd chime in w/o me having to post in the ACT forum. Can you suggest a good book on the 356, i've always been a fan, not that i could afford one, but i'd like to learn a little more about the porsche technology from the 356 and the 550
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy all of the bboks written by Harry Pellow "The Mestro".. He passed away a couple of years ago, but his books are a must for anyone working with the 356 engine...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
It's the same differance as between a 60's Chevy 400 and a Pontiac.



What's a Chevy 400? Don't remember that one. Just remember the 216, 235, 265, 283, 327, 348, 409, 425........ And early in 60's Chevy had a V-8 shortage and threw in some Buicks.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desertbusman wrote:
Glenn wrote:
It's the same differance as between a 60's Chevy 400 and a Pontiac.



What's a Chevy 400? Don't remember that one. Just remember the 216, 235, 265, 283, 327, 348, 409, 425........ And early in 60's Chevy had a V-8 shortage and threw in some Buicks.


The late 60's both Chevy and Pontiac has 400ci engines. They had different bore and stroke and I think the firing order was even different.

But that's not the point.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those old porsche engines do look cool, though.! Anybody know the HP / Torque ratings??
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheelie Pete wrote:
Anybody know the HP / Torque ratings??


Not enough compared to a built Type 1 engine.

This doesn't look to shabby... and I bet it's quicker than a 356 engine.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jake Raby wrote:
Buy all of the bboks written by Harry Pellow "The Mestro".. He passed away a couple of years ago, but his books are a must for anyone working with the 356 engine...


I've been reading up on this guy since yesterday, what a character, and knowledgeable as all hell, almost like a mad scientist, but he can write really well. His excerpts remind me of the muir 'idiot manual' in tone, but MUCH more in depth. cool reads, thanks jake
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have his rebuild video's for sale if you are interested-I think there are 4 VHS videos all together which tackles the teardown to rebuild and break in of the rebuilt engine.
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