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Wouldn't the term "Zwitter" no longer apply on a vert? Without the split back window there is nothing "split" about it. 
"Zwitter translated = hermaphrodite
hermaphrodite = a person or thing in which two opposite qualities are combined. i.e. split and oval."
Alot of 6 month only parts but not a Zwitter, Right? |
It still shares the split's 25hp motor....windshield wipers.....semaphors...hood handle
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ovalslider
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Wouldn't a later 53 vert share the same options as an early 53 vert?
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| Wouldn't a later 53 vert share the same options as an early 53 vert? |
No, as stated above.....the pre-March of '53 vert would share windshield wipers, hood handle, semphors with the Split while also keeping it's 6 month only parts to include a different speedometer.....different gas tank.....different ash tray........also seperate and different from the post '53 vert. The only shared early split part would be the motor and it's various parts. A pre-March '53 vert is very different from a post-March of '53 car if you know what to look for. There really is a Zwitter vert and it is very different from an oval vert although both are '53's 
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Robs '52s
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| I just don't think "zwitter" applies without the most qualifying feature gone ( back window). Do wipers a handle and semaphores keep it in that catagory? Wouldn't "late 52 vert" or "early 53 vert" be more appropriate? |
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I suppose you could say that. I don't think it's really an issue with owners, but there are differences between the early '53s and the later '53s that are major problems when restoring the cars. However you want to differentitate the early '53s from the later ones.......you will still have to deal with the term "Zwitter" when buying the various parts that distinguish the two different cars. It also isn't just the obvious things you stated.....it's the size of the mouth of the gas tank....the number of bolts in the hood..... different fender beading.......whether it's a standard or a deluxe......many little things not mentioned which I will go into at a later date........I have to get up tomorrow. 
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IN2VWS
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| splitrob wrote: |
| I just don't think "zwitter" applies without the most qualifying feature gone ( back window). |
Hmmmm....Pre zwitter verts don't have a split window either.....Does that mean they are not splits? |
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| splitrob wrote: |
| I just don't think "zwitter" applies without the most qualifying feature gone ( back window). |
Hmmmm....Pre zwitter verts don't have a split window either.....Does that mean they are not splits? |
Thanks........I needed that. I'm going to bed now. 
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Robs '52s
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| splitrob wrote: |
| I just don't think "zwitter" applies without the most qualifying feature gone ( back window). |
Hmmmm....Pre zwitter verts don't have a split window either.....Does that mean they are not splits? |
 This is about a car that doesn't fit in one or the other. Obviously a pre zwitter vert is a split. As is a post zwitter vert -'57 an oval. There is a lot more than a window defining them. |
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IN2VWS
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| splitrob wrote: |
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| splitrob wrote: |
| I just don't think "zwitter" applies without the most qualifying feature gone ( back window). |
Hmmmm....Pre zwitter verts don't have a split window either.....Does that mean they are not splits? |
This is about a car that doesn't fit in one or the other. Obviously a pre zwitter vert is a split. As is a post zwitter vert -'57 an oval. There is a lot more than a window defining them. |
I think you just answered your own question....
If a pre zwitter vert is a split, and a post zwitter vert is an oval, then a zwitter vert is a zwitter. |
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Robs '52s
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| I suppose you could say that. I don't think it's really an issue with owners, but there are differences between the early '53s and the later '53s that are major problems when restoring the cars. However you want to differentitate the early '53s from the later ones.......you will still have to deal with the term "Zwitter" when buying the various parts that distinguish the two different cars. It also isn't just the obvious things you stated.....it's the size of the mouth of the gas tank....the number of bolts in the hood..... different fender beading.......whether it's a standard or a deluxe......many little things not mentioned which I will go into at a later date........I have to get up tomorrow. |
I realize it's more than the window but that's always the answer to the question "what's a zwitter?". All those little things make for one long ass explanation to what a zwitter vert is.  |
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Robs '52s
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| splitrob wrote: |
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| splitrob wrote: |
| I just don't think "zwitter" applies without the most qualifying feature gone ( back window). |
Hmmmm....Pre zwitter verts don't have a split window either.....Does that mean they are not splits? |
This is about a car that doesn't fit in one or the other. Obviously a pre zwitter vert is a split. As is a post zwitter vert -'57 an oval. There is a lot more than a window defining them. |
I think you just answered your own question....
If a pre zwitter vert is a split, and a post zwitter vert is an oval, then a zwitter vert is a zwitter. |
No, I think it's an oval vert with some 6 month only parts.
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IN2VWS
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Robs '52s
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| Actually this thread should be moved to the oval forum. |
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IN2VWS
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Another twist on the subject:
A zwitter has the split rear window, but a zwitter vert has the oval vert rear window........OR,..... does the oval vert have the zwitter vert rear window. 
What came first, the chicken or the egg? and how long is a piece of string? |
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Another twist on the subject:
A zwitter has the split rear window, but a zwitter vert has the oval vert rear window........OR,..... does the oval vert have the zwitter vert rear window.
What came first, the chicken or the egg? and how long is a piece of string? |
It's how short is a piece of string. Get it right.
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The zwitter convert it's all in the side windows solid aluminium only zwitter verts have them.
I want one !
Wanted Og 1950 vert rear window and 55 vert ownwers manuel |
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kevm
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: zwitter cabrio |
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The drivers door on my pre Oct '52 cab has been changed for one from a zwitter cab - aluminium frame but with a quarter light window. Probably the earliest door available at the time of the swap ?
I now have a correct door and window frame so will consider trades etc for the zwitter door when I have swapped them over. Although the market for the door must be very small, I have only heard of the zwitter cab in Oz and one in Holland and thats it. Anyone know of any more ?
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1 is for sell right now on samba.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: Re: zwitter cabrio |
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The drivers door on my pre Oct '52 cab has been changed for one from a zwitter cab - aluminium frame but with a quarter light window. Probably the earliest door available at the time of the swap ?
I now have a correct door and window frame so will consider trades etc for the zwitter door when I have swapped them over. Although the market for the door must be very small, I have only heard of the zwitter cab in Oz and one in Holland and thats it. Anyone know of any more ?
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Hi Kev,
you forgot mine!
And there are some more zwitter verts (or oval looking split verts ), I'm pretty sure!
http://forums.pre67vw.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=14651
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zwitter vs split rear window question:
are there any subtle differences between a split rear view and a zwitter rear view besides the dome light hole missing on the zwitter?
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