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mojo Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: Any idea n the value of this one |
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mojo Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I may go look t this this weekend. Anu ideas on the value? It would be a new toy for me, but I may sell if I get tired of it.
1974 VOLKSWAGEN, SAFARI, thing, new black top, mileage shows 62,158
Owner syas he bought it @4 years ago, had it repainted from Pink to hunter green and had all new brake componets installed. CLaims little to no rust.
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MedicTed Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2005 Posts: 2110 Location: King of Prussia, PA
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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"He claims little to no rust."
Take a good magnet and look close. The pics made it look like there was alot of "repairs" in the lower body. _________________ Ted Wojton
70 VW Bus Westfalia camper
2003 GMC Sierra |
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kubelmann Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2003 Posts: 3266
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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I smell a rat on this one.. I would be careful///// No higher than $3K I see heart ache I the future of this poor Thing owners dreams. look deep prior to the leap. Pmail me if you have questions.. I sold a friend's Thing this week for $10K It had original paint and it was nothing like this one. The nose of this Thing looks well bashed.... |
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xeno Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 653 Location: Mile High
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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There are a few issues with it.
1. For one it is a 73 not a 74.
2. The blitz gas can is blocking the "fresh air ports".
3. As stated above, looks like the lower part of the pan/lip been modified (welded?)
4. Lower part of the doors look kinda wrinkled (welded?/Bondo) maybe just the picture?
5. Front bumper looks tiltled downwards.
6. Windshiled looks as though it is starting to tilt towards the back. In fact the curtins seem to extend beyond the windshield.
Depends on the rust/repair quality to determine what it is worth. Milage is by no means a indicator for condition.
If it is drivable and doesn't have large holes , and is as I stated above, about .8k-1k is all I would pay for it.
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Ian Epperson Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2005 Posts: 2262 Location: Alameda, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with the others on this. The paint looks shiny, but the body doesn't look right.
The left front fender looks bent - note how close it is to the front of the tire. Notice the front bumper isn't level, in fact it's sagging pretty badly - mine was like that because the bottom of the trunk had rotted out. The front clip is buckled a bit too. The driver's door is ... crinkled? - very odd. There's flat paint on the driver side rocker and bottom of the door post - this is a common rust spot. The front windows don't fit properly behind the windshield because it's sagging - this could be mis-adjusted or it could be another sign of hidden rust (expensive rust at that!). Check the frame for bulges and wiggle it a bit - it should be pretty solid.
Finally, it looks like a '73, not a '74. If it's got a gas heater in the boot (or holes for one) then it's a '73. If it doesn't, then someone did something to the rear muffs and relocated the mirrors. |
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mojo Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: |
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WOW
I guess a picture does tell a lot. I amy swing by and look at it. The owner is 75 years old, so maybe he thought it was a '74.
Thanks all, |
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Ray Syverson Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2006 Posts: 74 Location: Lake Zurich, Illinois
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: |
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It could still be a 74.My thing was made in Nov. of 73 and it looks like a 73, but the title says 74.
Ray |
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kubelmann Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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The true test is to look at the VIN number. The third numbe gives the year model a VIN number that starts 183 is a 73 thing a VIN number that starts 184 is a 74 |
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xeno Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 653 Location: Mile High
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Ray Syverson wrote: |
It could still be a 74.My thing was made in Nov. of 73 and it looks like a 73, but the title says 74.
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So, what makes it a 74, the title, the year it was made or the style (changes). I think the style is what is widely accepted as the year. But it is reality it is the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO) that decides the year. Which describes the vehicle via it's VIN.
First ones ('73)
Gas heater
Door mounted mirrors
No air boxes on side
Last ones ('74)
No gas heaters
Hing mounted mirrors
Air boxes
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Ferretkona Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2005 Posts: 1306 Location: Columbia, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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xeno wrote: |
First ones ('73)
Gas heater
Door mounted mirrors
No air boxes on side
Last ones ('74)
No gas heaters
Hing mounted mirrors
Air boxes
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There are many more than 73 and 74. I think they go back to 68 and as late as 78. Early things are German made and usually military. After the 181 is the 183 water cooled things.
A big difference on the body would be the mirror mounts and the ear muffs. |
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xeno Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 653 Location: Mile High
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ferretkona wrote: |
xeno wrote: |
First ones ('73)
Gas heater
Door mounted mirrors
No air boxes on side
Last ones ('74)
No gas heaters
Hing mounted mirrors
Air boxes
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There are many more than 73 and 74. I think they go back to 68 and as late as 78. Early things are German made and usually military. After the 181 is the 183 water cooled things.
A big difference on the body would be the mirror mounts and the ear muffs. |
Not imported to the US by VW, there isn't.
Here is a link you might be interested in: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=341347
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed
Joined: April 15, 2005 Posts: 4622 Location: SE CR IA US NA PE
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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xeno wrote: |
Not imported to the US by VW, there isn't. |
Doesn't matter what VWoA imported. Cars ship from one country to another all the time, and many ex-military 181s have ended up here. _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
049 > 070 > 053 > 009 |
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xeno Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Towel Rail wrote: |
xeno wrote: |
Not imported to the US by VW, there isn't. |
Doesn't matter what VWoA imported. Cars ship from one country to another all the time, and many ex-military 181s have ended up here. |
And your point being?
I'm trying to help the guy with what is more than likely a US thing. |
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed
Joined: April 15, 2005 Posts: 4622 Location: SE CR IA US NA PE
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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xeno wrote: |
And your point being?
I'm trying to help the guy with what is more than likely a US thing. |
I like arguing.
Plus, since the seller is already out-right lying about it, who knows what it really is? Maybe even he doesn't know if it was a U.S. market 181...
(BTW, Ray, a "1974 Thing" could have been made at any point between August 1973 and July 1974...) _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
049 > 070 > 053 > 009 |
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xeno Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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I just don't like that 'ledge' below the last rib.
Do check if it has the AMxxxxxxx on the engine, and the skid plate on it (the engine). Check the tranny for 'pop out' of gear problem.
And the wipers (motor).
Also if you can pop off the top a bit and flop the windshield down (look for mega rust on bottom of WS frame!) |
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Ian Epperson Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: |
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xeno wrote: |
IAlso if you can pop off the top a bit and flop the windshield down (look for mega rust on bottom of WS frame!) |
When I had my first windshield frame, it looked rust-free, but was rotted out. It hinted at it by bulging sagging and not being very solid. You could see it when trying to slide out the seal at the bottom of the frame.
I paid $1000 for it when I first got it. I've sunk in at least $20k more over the last 10 years, but I bought it knowing it would be work to make it nice. It was; it is. |
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icekoffee Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2005 Posts: 1239 Location: DeSoto, Missouri
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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where is that thing located and what is he asking for it? If that a Cali one.... its a sorry example from what i have seen. I always see such nice things out of cali... cars that one wouldnt dream of where im from (St. Louis Missouri area)
this one pictured doesnt look that great.... but where im from prolly still worth a few grand if in drivable condition _________________ 1952 Zwitter
1959 23 Window
1963 Doubleturd
1958 Patina Beetle EJ25
1984 Vanagon Westfalia EJ25
1964 Lifted Mouse Grey Standard
1967 21 Window
1968 Double Bubble
1969 Westfalia
1961 Ragtop Beetle
1984 GTI
1961 Kombi |
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Ray Syverson Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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I had stated that my thing was made in Nov. 73 and the title says 74. I guess I was trying to point out that the owner of this thing may be saying that it is a 1974 simply because thats what it says on his title also.
A question would be, on what date did the gas heater end and the soft heat begin?
Ray |
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mojo Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys. I think I could buy it for @3K'ish
I think I'll just stay away form this one. No real rush, just looking for a project/toy. |
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