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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:38 am    Post subject: Type 1, Type 2, Type 3 - What's the Difference? Reply with quote

Folks, new to this forum but not others so I know this question must have been asked before. I've searched and can't find a "no kidding" here's the answer. My question:

What are the differences between the Type 1, Type 2, Type 3 VW Westfalia?

I've been searching for one for my son, and the more I look, the more I want one. These things are neat! We currently are looking at a 1973 Westfalia which needs a couple parts so that's why I'm asking.

Thanks for being patient with me.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Type 1 = Bug, Ghia, Thing
Type 2 = Bus
Type 3 = Squareback, Notchback, Fastback Type 3 Ghia
Type 4 = 411, 412
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey, check out this link here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Type_2 (scroll down to the history part)

I think this is what you are looking for.. T1<'67, T2>'68, T3>'80 (all of these are sub categories of the Type II)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you guys made that to easy, or should i say, i was making it to difficult Very Happy

and here i was thinking there was a difference from bus to bus. didn't realize it was based on different vw models.

the one we are looking at has a porsche engine that was put in it (it's a 1973). we haven't figured out yet what size engine but from my reading it may be a fair assumption that it's out of a 914. anyone know if it has the same starter? from an aftermarket website i was looking at it looks like it's the same, but realize we have to know what engine first.

thanks for the history link. as i mentioned before, just searching and reading up on these busses i'm getting hooked.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From 1972-1979 all type 2's in this country came with a type 4 engine as did the 914.

Here is some fun reading. http://www.tunacan.net/t4/

A 73 would have come from the facotry with a a1.7L with 2 colex carbs. Engine code would have been "AW" with a compression ratio of 7.3:1 and 65 HP.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you guys are to good. so a fair assumption is, the gentleman who decided to swap in a Porsche engine swapped in a 914. again, thanks for the pointing me in the right direction so i can do some reading.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Type 1= Beetle and ghia
Type 2= Transporter or truck
Type 3 & Type 4= like he said

BUT a Type 2 T1= splitty bus (67 and older)
Type 2 T2= breadloaf or bay window bus (68-79)
Type 2 T3= vanagon or maybe "wedge" to euros (80-91)
Type 2 T4= Eurovan up to a recent date (2003?)
Type 2 T5= new Eurovan

Of course, people often abbreviate Type 1 to T1 or Type 4 to T4. Confusing, eh?
Let me add that people also use T1 to refer to the upright 1600 style engine and T4 to refer to the 1700-2000 pancake or "suitcase" engine, and may therefore say T1 engined loaf bus (68-71) or a T4 engined late loaf bus (72-79). (Note late loafs busses also had 1600 Type 1 style engines in the rest of the world.)

SOOOO, it depends on the context. But these are the possible meanings.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KMP wrote:
you guys are to good. so a fair assumption is, the gentleman who decided to swap in a Porsche engine swapped in a 914. .


Usually not. Every redneck selling a late bay window bus or aircooled vanagon says it has a "Porsche" (or usually Porch) engine. Look a tunacan to see how to identify the engine. Personally, I'm not even sure a 914 engine is desirable in a bus.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What redneck porch would be complete without a type IV engine on it.

If you dont see it right away, dig around behind the old water heaters and wood stoves.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The Type 4 200mm, the 210mm, and the 215mm are all the same outside diameter and are basically identical with the exception of the clutch face diameter.


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For the average street Type 4 engine with a Type 1 transaxle, I recommend using any of the 200mm, 210mm or 215mm VW flywheels. They will all slide into a 12V bellhousing with little to no clearancing.



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The rest of this tech article will cover using a Type 4 engine with a Type 1 transaxle, as you can use the stock Porsche starter to finish the Porsche setup.




Absent digging into it and being surprised Ithink above is my answer.

I also looked up starters on Auto Parts Warehouse and the OEM starter for the bus and Porsche 914 are identical:

Bus:

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http://replacement.autopartswarehouse.com/parts/au...=Automatic


Porsche 914:

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http://replacement.autopartswarehouse.com/parts/au...p;dp=false

At this point, I hope all that's left to figure out is if the engine is a 1.7, 1.8, or 2.0 litre.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the 1.7 and the 1.8 engines from the 914 are directly from thier VW bretheren. The 1.7 came from the D-Jet type 4 and the 1.8 came from.....teh bus?

teh 2.0 had some bigger valves installed in it, and spark plug angles were changed, which made for more power and better fuel economy over the 1.8
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