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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whooooo!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:03 am    Post subject: Those with Koni's Reply with quote

If anyone who has upgraded to Koni's would like to sell their set of KYB's - I would be interested.

Looking for front's and rear's to suit a 75 Westy.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got mine and finished installing today. What a difference over the KYB's that were on there. I agree with previous comments regarding the directions that came with them, but I found this link on Koni's site that was much more useful: http://www.koni-na.com/pdf/tech.pdf I cringed at the price (being a starving college student and all), but it's more than worth it IMO. I've got them set full soft in the front, one full turn from soft in the back and it seems great. I'll probably tinker with them after/during some of my longer road trips and see if I can dial it in better.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings. Dug this thread up for my update.

I had them on 1/4 turn fr and rr just to see the deal. Nice and cushy. It did seem to have some increased side-to-side roll as compared to the KYB's.

I was running Goodyear cargo vector G-26's with ~40lbs of air. The ride was nice but the tires seemed too hard. Less air and the steering was slow. Blamed that on the commercial tires.

The bus/westy is lowered with 2.5 spindles and one notch in back. When loaded for camping or aggressive single driving, the front would bottom out. I only have about 2 1/2 inches between the top of tire and top of fenderwell

So, the update. I recently made the switch to Hankook RA 08 in the 195 series. Using them with Vanagon alloys. Awsome tire. Awsome tire. Running at 40lbs. The ride quality increased to almost car-like. With the soft shock setting I would still bottom out the same as with the Goodyears. That would be expected.

Tonight I reset the shocks. Max turns is about 1 3/4. Not quite 2 full turns. I set them to 1 1/4. Took a little test ride around the block. All seemed well. Lost a bit of the cushiness. I have less nose dive. I should be able to decrease front tire pressure back to ~30 and regain some ride. I probably will still bottom out on the whoops when loaded and with aggressive driving but I know it won't be as bad. And I now know the limitations.

It looks kewl riding lower but I do bottom out. And if it gets bothersome, I'll put the stock spindles back on. Raise the back a notch. Reset the fr and rr shocks to 1/2 turn and call it all good.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

any other konis available since then??
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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any other konis available since then??


I'd send bus depot an inquiry as to there availability. They do have them listed on their site.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's someone in Greece selling a pair both new and used, here in the classifieds.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seems like this belongs in the classifieds
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are they really different from the Gabriel shocks I have on my Bus?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How are they really different from the Gabriel shocks I have on my Bus?


Shocks are shocks are shocks. Koni's are adjustable. That's nice.

Some people like gas-charged shocks, some like double-acting hydraulics like the Koni's, some like the single-acting rebound damping style.

When you hit the railroad tracks and find the road dips, does your Gabriel shock bus stay on the road?

All shock absorbers are supposed to do is Resist Movement. This resistance is a splendid way to prevent springs from sproinging, it "dampens" the spring oscillations, so the Brits call them dampers.

Good shock absorbers do not cure depression cancer and bad tie rod ends, they dampen spring oscillations.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank God some Hippie at one point convinced the right person to design a set for Late Bays. They were used to Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Mercedes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez, I think that with all of the adjustments and a new set of tires I will just keep the KYB GR-2s. Even with the Bus being lowered mine never bottomed out.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup.

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When you hit the railroad tracks and find the road dips, does your Gabriel shock bus stay on the road?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drool Man...all this hype really has me feeling like I am going to miss out, but $560 including shipping would just kill my finances....Maybe the next go round....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other thing about the Konis, besides the adjustment, is the fact that they should be the last set of shocks you have to buy, ever, so long as you keep driving a vehicle they will fit.

Unlike the "Lifetime Warranty" of most parts today that state they are guaranteed for the lifetime of the vehicle they are initially installed on or until it is sold to someone else the Koni warranty is ... lifetime. Yours, the next owner's, your grandkids, whatever.

So long as you don't physically damage them (wreck that smashes in a tube, etc.) Koni will keep rebuilding them so long as they have the parts. Since the guts are used in other models they should have the parts forever.

Barring some catastrophe Koni will be around to repair them for a LONG time. They are still a VERY active company making shocks for the racing and offroad communities.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had the Koni's for ~2 yrs or so. Nice product I suppose. Learned the hard way that they are rebound adjustable only.
My style of driving has them at 1/4 turn soft in front and 1/2 turn soft in the rear.
I don't like to have anything thats adjustable to be at bottom or top. Gotta have it a blip tweaked.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how are they better than the Gabriels I've had on my Bus for the last 14 years?

Gotta know do they do your laundry for you or what?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chabanais wrote:
So how are they better than the Gabriels I've had on my Bus for the last 14 years?


Read Colin's post above. If you like the Gabriels then the Konis aren't any better. A shock is a shock is a shock. Personal preference.

If you drive in places where stiff side winds are frequent you might want a very stiff gas filled shock to help stop body roll. If you usually drive on rub board dirt and gravel tracks then a soft oil filled shock would be better.

If you alternate then something like the Koni that you can adjust between the two extremes may be best. But then again, it only takes about 20 minutes to change out all 4 shocks so two sets of another brand would be fine.

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Learned the hard way that they are rebound adjustable only.


Well, you could talk to Koni and find out if they can be modified for both rebound and compression adjustment. The price goes up though ... Shocked

http://dagostinoracing.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12449&currency=USD
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of people are spooging without knowing whether it's warranted.
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