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Bruce
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Post a pic of what you want. Pics can be found here in this topic.
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GermanRust52
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| In my opinion, both of your badges are reproduction...................even the one with the four tab back. Notice that the badges have "solid" backs. '50s badges are almost aways stamped. The four tab clip may have been added later. I usually stay from solid backs, regardless of the tabs. I once owned one of those badges (Hamburg).............and it was stamped out of thin metal....................not cast. |
Bob can you tell if this is reproduction or original? Please help.
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GermanRust52
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| In my opinion, both of your badges are reproduction...................even the one with the four tab back. Notice that the badges have "solid" backs. '50s badges are almost aways stamped. The four tab clip may have been added later. I usually stay from solid backs, regardless of the tabs. I once owned one of those badges (Hamburg).............and it was stamped out of thin metal....................not cast. |
Bob can you tell if this is reproduction or original? Please help.
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53 0val
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| 53 0val wrote: |
| In my opinion, both of your badges are reproduction...................even the one with the four tab back. Notice that the badges have "solid" backs. '50s badges are almost aways stamped. The four tab clip may have been added later. I usually stay from solid backs, regardless of the tabs. I once owned one of those badges (Hamburg).............and it was stamped out of thin metal....................not cast. |
Bob can you tell if this is reproduction or original? Please help.
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I can't tell much of anything with the focus on those pictures..  See if you can sharpen the focus and reduce the light as well.
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GermanRust52
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| 53 0val wrote: |
| In my opinion, both of your badges are reproduction...................even the one with the four tab back. Notice that the badges have "solid" backs. '50s badges are almost aways stamped. The four tab clip may have been added later. I usually stay from solid backs, regardless of the tabs. I once owned one of those badges (Hamburg).............and it was stamped out of thin metal....................not cast. |
Bob can you tell if this is reproduction or original? Please help.
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I can't tell much of anything with the focus on those pictures.. See if you can sharpen the focus and reduce the light as well. |
Can you tell with this ones?
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53 0val
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Actually I like the detail in the cloisone ,if it is enamel. (It is impossible to tell in a picture if it is made from resin or not.) The weld on the back is correct as most reproductions were epoxied (JB Weld). There should be four tabs to be "period" correct. Later badges had no tabs. From what I can see.............I like it. 
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IN2VWS
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It is difficult to tell from pictures whether a part is original or repro.
As Bob mentioned, the original badges from the 1950's had the tabs on the sides split into 2, and the makers stamp on the back.
Badges like your Köln badge, came about because aftermarket parts suppliers were not allowed to reproduce the VW logo or Wolfsburg crest, so they offered other Cities on the crests, such as Köln, Bremen etc.
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GermanRust52
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flyertim
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So, all in all, it seems impossible to say which hood crest is original for a Split, an Oval or a late 50s/early 60s Beetle........
Aren't there people with a Split or Oval barn find that (almost) know for sure that the car is completely original and post a detail picture of the hood crest? Maybe some old pictures/ads where you can see the hood crest in detail?
There must be some differences (not only between manufactures) related to the year the car was build..... |
okay kids.....hope this helps somebody out there. even though this isn't the oval forum, i felt this belonged to this thread.
here is a picture of my '57 oval export deluxe which has been in a barn for the last 32 years. the chassis number, 1578529, translates to being built in june of '57. the body stamp, 564655, was built in may of '57. i haven't received my birth certificate yet to confirm the dates.
the story goes, the second owner bought the car in the seventies with the intention of restoring it, but never got around to it. they did however, manage to paint it "baby shit yellow" before removing the body from the pan. in was in this state, sleeping in an ohio barn until last summer. i even have the og rims and one firestone bias tire (still holds air!)
a little background info may validate my belief that the crest was never replaced. the original 4-tab hood is there as well as 95% of the rest of the car.
here is a closeup of the crest...
next we have a picture of the underside of the hood (deck lid???). the original color of the car was coral red. the arrow points to the tabs of the crest. two slots in the hood are for the two tabs on the badge. each tab is split then bent in opposite directions to secure it to the hood.
another closeup of the badge...
i removed the badge from the chrome frame...
i cleaned the frame a bit to reveal the name "K. SCHWAGER PFORZHEIM" stamped in the middle. i'm quite sure this is where the initials "KSP" come from.
the initials "KSP" stamped on the mounting tab on the back of the badge...
also note that the badge is stamped metal.
here's another picture of the badge...without the frame.
i measured the badge with digital calipers. the width is 38.45mm and the length is 54.5mm.
the "studio closeup shots" were taken under a color-correcting lamp. the colors i see on my screen look pretty good to me. if there's any other questions...i'm here to help.
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steveo_32
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I have this emblem and obtained it from a friend who had owned it from 1979, When did emblem repro start? Must have been a time
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| Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: emblem |
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I have this emblem and obtained it from a friend who had owned it from 1979, When did emblem repro start? Must have been a time
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Any chance of a pic of the back of the badge? In particular, the folding tabs
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steveo_32
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Here are some picts of the backside
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mtb7001
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I am no expert but I did just read this whole thread in one sitting so I would say no. 4 tabs seem essential to og.
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Sorry Peter..................the finish (plating) on that one isn't even close. 
I wish I knew the definitive answer to the 4 tab theory, but.......... I can assure you that four tabs do not make it fake. 
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Okay, gang-
I am 99% sure 3 of these are real, and I *KNOW* one of them is fake... am I right, am I close, or am I sadly misinformed? The reason I am asking, is I want to put them up for sale, and I don't want to be crucified for selling a repop as an original...
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IN2VWS
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Yes, 3 originals, and 1 repop.
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Thanks, IN2VWS, after 12 pages of reading, that's pretty much my conclusion, as well. I know that 2 of them I have had for over 30 years, and I don't think repops were even being made 30 years ago...the other original, I honestly don't know where I got it.
Probably off a car I scrapped a long time ago...
Guess it's time to get separate photos and start listing them on the Samba....
Thanks Again-
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Viande
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Thanks for the this thread. These are the bases I am getting now. Anyone that can tell me the years they are correct for?
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These are both repops .One of the backings has a VW and PUC stamp and is for later cars but still repop.The other is the flat one with no mark and clearly repop.The badges are similar but one appears to have a polluted brown river.
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