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electronictofu Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2009 Posts: 939 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Hey guys, I'm trying to take advantage of labor day sales on my rear disc brakes! Hope you can help. Aaron from Widefive made my offset spring plates, it's a long axle type 1 rear, 15" 5 spoke wheels, offset spring plates, lowered quite a bit, and it's a 65' deluxe. Aaron said any long axle type 1 kit should work but may need spacers, and also I'll need a new master cyl.
Will this kit work:
http://www.jbugs.com/product/22-2906.html
Or here because it's cheaper:
http://www.kustom1warehouse.net/Rear_disc_brake_ki..._5x205.htm
If so, what else may be needed?
Thanks in advance...
Im not sure where the spacers come into play, but currently my tires are pretty wide (I can't recall the size right now) but I need to actually remove the axle from the spring plate to get my rear tires off. |
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busworks Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2004 Posts: 201 Location: Moncks Corner,S.C.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like the sme kit.
Spacers depending on what you heel you're running. May not need any at all. |
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electronictofu Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2009 Posts: 939 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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busworks wrote: |
Looks like the sme kit.
Spacers depending on what you heel you're running. May not need any at all. |
Yeah it is the same kit, I just edited my post with that second one because it's cheaper. I'll probably order this above kit, I think it'll be a smooth install. Price is nice, not a Wilwood kit, but better than stock drum for sure.
Can someone recommend a dual circuit master cyl for a 65' bus?
http://www.kustom1warehouse.net/Brake_master_cylinders_for_VW_Volkwagen_p/mastercylinder.htm
I still have front drum brakes, and will for a while during transition. The above Master Cyl. has a lot of options and confuses me a bit. |
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motofly196 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1467 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Don't waste your time starting with rear disc brakes if you still have front drums. Over 70 percent of braking is done in the front. Invest in front brakes first is what I'd recommend. I have CSP disc brakes on my single cab...they will stop so hard they'll throw you through the window in a panic! Definitely worth the money!! |
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electronictofu Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2009 Posts: 939 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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motofly196 wrote: |
Don't waste your time starting with rear disc brakes if you still have front drums. Over 70 percent of braking is done in the front. Invest in front brakes first is what I'd recommend. I have CSP disc brakes on my single cab...they will stop so hard they'll throw you through the window in a panic! Definitely worth the money!! |
I thought about that, and wanted to do just fronts originally. It makes sense I agree. I opted for the type 3 drums since they were larger and it's a pain trying to find pads, my reasoning instead of taking apart my rear and spending money on pricey pads and the time invested into drums (I have to remove the axles to even get the wheels off right now) at that point, might as well drop a few hundred bucks... instead of mailing off my current pads to southern CA (I can't find these pads anywhere)
I'll probably gain better clearance with disc in the rear, enabling me to get my wheels off like they should. Or getting thinner tires (I can' recall the size) but that aren't that fat, but wide enough to where it's an issue with my setup.
But now you've got me thinking again... |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20278 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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electronictofu wrote: |
motofly196 wrote: |
Don't waste your time starting with rear disc brakes if you still have front drums. Over 70 percent of braking is done in the front. Invest in front brakes first is what I'd recommend. I have CSP disc brakes on my single cab...they will stop so hard they'll throw you through the window in a panic! Definitely worth the money!! |
I thought about that, and wanted to do just fronts originally. It makes sense I agree. I opted for the type 3 drums since they were larger and it's a pain trying to find pads, my reasoning instead of taking apart my rear and spending money on pricey pads and the time invested into drums (I have to remove the axles to even get the wheels off right now) at that point, might as well drop a few hundred bucks... instead of mailing off my current pads to southern CA (I can't find these pads anywhere)
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http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-311-609-537-G
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Result.aspx/Volk...5/Ne-25000
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1370146,parttype,1688 _________________ nothing |
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electronictofu Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2009 Posts: 939 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Oh nice links thanks!
I saw a couple similar to those at autozone and kragen/o'reily but the curvature wasn't the same. I Wasnt sure if mine were really early, or later model. |
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Split 66' Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2010 Posts: 1257 Location: Bay Area, California
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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I got all of my Type3 parts from ISP West, including drums and brake pads. They were never out of anything T3, for me.
http://www.vwispwest.com/pg96/
For the DCMC: the larger the bore, the heavier the foot pressure required, the bigger the brakes you can run. I use a late Bay DCMC, it has the larger bore.
For smaller brakes, the rabbit one works with lighter foot pressure:
http://www.wagenswest.com/partstore/index.php/disk...r-kit.html _________________ "OG = Original German" -- TheSamba.com dictionary |
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motofly196 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1467 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Technicality...but make sure you are asking for the right thing.
Drums=Shoes
Disc= Pads
At one time, that probably didn't matter...but with the guys behind parts counters these days, it definitely does!! |
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DubStyle SBS Hit Squad
Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 6250 Location: SBS headquarters: Missery
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Front narrowed so the tubes were flush to my side plates. Flipped spindles and adjusters
Front tire: 155-60-15
Rear long axles with the rear torsion narrowed 3"
Rear tire: 195-65-15 _________________ Anthony
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SBS #1 on FB
"The original & best lowered Split Bus website/club" |
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electronictofu Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2009 Posts: 939 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Well it's done. Glad I spoke to you all before ordering, I didn't do the rear disc at this time, I'll try to source the correct rear shoes from the links above, thanks!
I ended up choosing the Saco kit & DCMC from Ronnie at Bustoration. Pretty stoked. Will have front disc installed by next week. |
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RAPShawaii Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2013 Posts: 2 Location: Oahu, HI
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:28 pm Post subject: 1965 Kombi - Mango |
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Front:
Wagenswest - Complete 4" Narrowed adjustable beam with flipped spindles and Wilwood Disc Brakes; Empi - 15 x 5 Gloss Black BRM; Continental Tire - 145/65/15
Rear:
Benco - Type I Transmission; Wagenswest - Boomerang Spring Plates; AC Industries - Rear Disc Brakes; Empi - 15 x 6.5 Gloss Black BRM; Bridgestone Tire - 205/55/15
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electronictofu Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2009 Posts: 939 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: 1965 Kombi - Mango |
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RAPShawaii wrote: |
Front:
Wagenswest - Complete 4" Narrowed adjustable beam with flipped spindles and Wilwood Disc Brakes; Empi - 15 x 5 Gloss Black BRM; Continental Tire - 145/65/15
Rear:
Benco - Type I Transmission; Wagenswest - Boomerang Spring Plates; AC Industries - Rear Disc Brakes; Empi - 15 x 6.5 Gloss Black BRM; Bridgestone Tire - 205/55/15
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My setup is... well, kind of similar. Or will be, but shit... nice paint... What is that, Mango-ish? |
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electronictofu Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2009 Posts: 939 Location: Sacramento
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tarzan271 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2003 Posts: 336 Location: Santa Rosa, CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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The one from Saco is just the master cylinder and it is Brazilian.
The one from Bustoration is a kit including the reservoir, fittings, line, and switch, but it is Chinese. _________________ ~Tarzan
1964 Deluxe Bus - Sold |
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RAPShawaii Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2013 Posts: 2 Location: Oahu, HI
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:34 am Post subject: |
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I would recommend getting the kit. It is more of a hassle to order everything separate. As for the color it's a VW Mango. |
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Dubskii Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2010 Posts: 385 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to do a mild lowering job. Was thinking of flipped spindles up front and keeping the RGBs and re-indexing (1 outer??) the rear. Don't want new tires (currently running all 165s). I want the stance even all the way around. Would this setup accomplish this and does anyone have any pics of this or something similar? _________________ 69 Sunroof Deluxe - Montana Red/Cloud White (Sold)
57 Kombi - Dove Blue http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=648240
WTB Early Dove Blue Bus Driver's Side Door
WTB Joe Heishman VW Arlington, VA License Plate Frame or Other Memorabilia |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20278 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:41 am Post subject: |
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If you readjust the rear by re-indexing the spring plates far enough to match the 3 1/2"drop of the spindles, you will have a bunch of negative camber in the rear wheels. It has been done, but there are drawbacks.
Beetle tires (165's) are not stiff enough for a bus, lowered or stock. _________________ nothing |
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7050 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:40 am Post subject: |
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cdennisg wrote: |
If you readjust the rear by re-indexing the spring plates far enough to match the 3 1/2"drop of the spindles, you will have a bunch of negative camber in the rear wheels. It has been done, but there are drawbacks.
Beetle tires (165's) are not stiff enough for a bus, lowered or stock. |
what he said.
also: beetle tires are the 2nd biggest reason why people think stock busses drive like shit, number one is "worn out shit".
_________________ regards
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Dubskii Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2010 Posts: 385 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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So school me for a bit. I am always trying to gain knowledge...I see quite a few of the tire specs in this thread are 165s. Are you saying none of these tires are stiff enough? BTW mine are 165/80/15. _________________ 69 Sunroof Deluxe - Montana Red/Cloud White (Sold)
57 Kombi - Dove Blue http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=648240
WTB Early Dove Blue Bus Driver's Side Door
WTB Joe Heishman VW Arlington, VA License Plate Frame or Other Memorabilia |
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