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63 vwnotch
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 Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Rotella 15/40 Diesel
you're welcome..
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
Rotella 15/40 Diesel
you're welcome..
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That is a middle of the road oil, neither a 5w20 or a 20w50 and it is okay to run in Diesel engines along with gas ones. You are going to freak out everybody here excepting the 5% that don't feel they need to go to extremes.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Not enough zinc in the Rotella anymore
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63 vwnotch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| Wildthings wrote: |
| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
Rotella 15/40 Diesel
you're welcome..
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That is a middle of the road oil, neither a 5w20 or a 20w50 and it is okay to run in Diesel engines along with gas ones. You are going to freak out everybody here excepting the 5% that don't feel they need to go to extremes.
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middle of the road?? from my testing it's superior, I've run this oil in numerous vehicles over the years in both gas and diesel engines and had black stone labs do testing along the way...
Not enough zinc?? I will have to dig up some of my reports and post them here, I've run a diesel at 8k miles, barely touched the oil, black stone recommended push it further, I've done 10k and 12k runs and the oil still hadn't completely broken down...I used to love mobil 1 but after the testing I've done over the years I use Rotella in everything....
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
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That is a middle of the road oil, neither a 5w20 or a 20w50 |
middle of the road?? from my testing it's superior |
I think it is pretty obvious that I was saying it has a middle of the road viscosity while mentioning nothing about its quality. I would define middle of the road as an oil with a viscosity of/or between a 5w30 and a 15w40. |
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63 vwnotch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| Wildthings wrote: |
| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
| Wildthings wrote: |
That is a middle of the road oil, neither a 5w20 or a 20w50 |
middle of the road?? from my testing it's superior |
I think it is pretty obvious that I was saying it has a middle of the road viscosity while mentioning nothing about its quality. I would define middle of the road as an oil with a viscosity of/or between a 5w30 and a 15w40. |
no harm... I reread your post and I admit I jumped the gun, oil threads tend to do that to a guy
seems to me (puts on flame suit) these engines are so forgiving you could run practically anything in them as long as you keep it clean and they'll keep on putting along...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
Rotella 15/40 Diesel
you're welcome..
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You need to go back 30-40 pages and read. The last 2-3 years the Fed's changed the regulations on Diesel oils and they should no longer be used in gasoline engines.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
Rotella 15/40 Diesel
you're welcome..
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You need to go back 30-40 pages and read. The last 2-3 years the Fed's changed the regulations on Diesel oils and they should no longer be used in gasoline engines. |
And I will ask you one more time to show me a single reliable source that says an S rated oil should not be used in a gasoline engine just because it also carries a diesel rating. |
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vwracerdave
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| Wildthings wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
Rotella 15/40 Diesel
you're welcome..
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You need to go back 30-40 pages and read. The last 2-3 years the Fed's changed the regulations on Diesel oils and they should no longer be used in gasoline engines. |
And I will ask you one more time to show me a single reliable source that says an S rated oil should not be used in a gasoline engine just because it also carries a diesel rating. |
I refuse to get into a bitch fight with you. You troll this oil thread like you are the authority. Evreybody else can make up their own mind. The info was posted 30-40 pages ago by other Samba members but you refuse to accept it.
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BenJAMin
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| As long as it is a 40 weight or above the oil is exempt from zinc restrictions. I use dual and gas rated Wolf's Head Extreme Duty which has 1400 ppm zinc |
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63 vwnotch
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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from my current and limited reading on rotella it seems to still have 1200 ppm zinc, is this good enough?? I'm not a member of bobtheoilguy and barely a member here, most my posts are rambling as I really don't have what it takes to answer most mechanical questions, body/paint maybe but again merely opinions and what's worked for me...
Just talked with a large reputable VW Engine builder at length the other day, like and hour visit.... within that time I found it very interesting that he uses Rotella in his builds, out of respect for him I will not mention names.... but it works for him and he recommends it, after close to 40 years of business doing these I tend to listen, though again it's only his opionin...
with that said, it's news to me that diesel oil has been modified, a must read for several hours I guess..
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
| Wildthings wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
Rotella 15/40 Diesel
you're welcome..
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You need to go back 30-40 pages and read. The last 2-3 years the Fed's changed the regulations on Diesel oils and they should no longer be used in gasoline engines. |
And I will ask you one more time to show me a single reliable source that says an S rated oil should not be used in a gasoline engine just because it also carries a diesel rating. |
I refuse to get into a bitch fight with you. You troll this oil thread like you are the authority. Evreybody else can make up their own mind. The info was posted 30-40 pages ago by other Samba members but you refuse to accept it. |
Definitely anyone that posts about oil on The Samba knows more about oil that the automotive and oil industries, NOT.
It is time for you to post a link from a reliable source, you have been asked to do this many times. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| Wildthings wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
| Wildthings wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
Rotella 15/40 Diesel
you're welcome..
THREAD LOCKED |
You need to go back 30-40 pages and read. The last 2-3 years the Fed's changed the regulations on Diesel oils and they should no longer be used in gasoline engines. |
And I will ask you one more time to show me a single reliable source that says an S rated oil should not be used in a gasoline engine just because it also carries a diesel rating. |
I refuse to get into a bitch fight with you. You troll this oil thread like you are the authority. Evreybody else can make up their own mind. The info was posted 30-40 pages ago by other Samba members but you refuse to accept it. |
Definitely anyone that posts about oil on The Samba knows more about oil that the automotive and oil industries, NOT.
It is time for you to post a link from a reliable source, you have been asked to do this many times. |
These say 1223 ppm
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June%202014/consolidated%20HDEO%202015.html
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June%202014/shellrotellatT1540.htm
Edit: More recent link from their site says 1190 ppm:
"Date of purchase: 8-10-2016"
http://pqiadata.org/ShellRotellaT15W40.html
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| EverettB wrote: |
| Wildthings wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
| Wildthings wrote: |
| vwracerdave wrote: |
| 63 vwnotch wrote: |
Rotella 15/40 Diesel
you're welcome..
THREAD LOCKED |
You need to go back 30-40 pages and read. The last 2-3 years the Fed's changed the regulations on Diesel oils and they should no longer be used in gasoline engines. |
And I will ask you one more time to show me a single reliable source that says an S rated oil should not be used in a gasoline engine just because it also carries a diesel rating. |
I refuse to get into a bitch fight with you. You troll this oil thread like you are the authority. Evreybody else can make up their own mind. The info was posted 30-40 pages ago by other Samba members but you refuse to accept it. |
Definitely anyone that posts about oil on The Samba knows more about oil that the automotive and oil industries, NOT.
It is time for you to post a link from a reliable source, you have been asked to do this many times. |
These say 1223 ppm
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June%202014/consolidated%20HDEO%202015.html
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June%202014/shellrotellatT1540.htm
Edit: More recent link from their site says 1190 ppm:
"Date of purchase: 8-10-2016"
http://pqiadata.org/ShellRotellaT15W40.html |
Yes your links clearly show that Rotella T 15w40 is an SM rated oil and thus suitable for use in a gasoline engine. |
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63 vwnotch
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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Pep Boys at 1363...?? who would have thought?? course at Pep Boys prices it would probably be better just to add some additive, but with those numbers I may keep an eye out for a sale 
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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I've been using Valvoline VR1 10w 30 year around in Southwest Arizona for a couple of years, my motor seems to like it 1776 dual 35's stock height. I'm interested in Brad Penn oils for my next oil change so my question is has Brad Penn oil always been partial synthetic and what are your opinions on it if used? Like to try 15w 40 or 10w 40 since we have cold mornings and warm afternoons even in the winter time.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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I uses Valvoline racing straight 50W in my 2386cc. No issues at all. I also lives in the tropical weather of the US Virgin Islands
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| I like to change the oil in my engine every 1000 miles. But do I also have to change and clean the filter and replace my external filter as well (I have an external filter)? |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Official "What oil / additives should I use" topic |
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| why change the oil if you dont change the filter. Im down to about 8000miles ayear nowdays since the kids are grown & gone now.I change mine 1 time a year. quakerstate deffy semi synthetic witch has zinc in it and it's about $15 a gallon at wally world.i usualy mix it with a full synthetic. |
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