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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think i skimmed thru the video
Before i lowered my car

To Learn and Because i cant make up my Friggin mind
i have messed with lowering and then raising the rear
suspension Probably 10 times in the last 2 months

and it still doesnt come off and go on as with the same ease

Now the front ???
I lowered it 1 time and it was fairly easy
But i borrowed a 30mm and a torque wrench

I took a look at the video for the rear
I Definitely helped on How long it took
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've lowered a few and I still found the vid's pretty informative. nice to see a different way I was actually unaware of.

One note i'd like to add is that i find it much easier to work if you remove the caliper and hang it up out of the way and then remove the entire spindle. only need to take the upper ball joint off so its only 1 extra bolt or nut whichever way you take it off.

i use the outers to lower the front. I modified the jaws of a 2 arm puller and put it in between the trailing arm and beam and use a slide hammer to pull it out. pretty easy as the hammering action pops it free. I just did a OG 68 the other day and it came off pretty easy.

Also you can just pop the rubber snubber off the arm. works for 3 notches lower without bottoming but then no need to cut.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: lowered the ghia Reply with quote

Thank you so much for the awesome video! Gave me more than enough confidence to go and do it to my Ghia today. Down 1 spline, approx 2".
Took about 3 hrs.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Cug,

Thanks for makin this video man it really helped me get a better understanding of the techs on the splines. I was wondering if it would be the same steps as lowering but in reverse to raise the square? I have been dying to raise mine a few inches.

I know it's considered heresy among most type 3 guys but everyone has to get their car to where they see it in their own mind right? Thanks again for all the info.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DamagedJustice86 wrote:
Hey Cug,

Thanks for makin this video man it really helped me get a better understanding of the techs on the splines. I was wondering if it would be the same steps as lowering but in reverse to raise the square? I have been dying to raise mine a few inches.

I know it's considered heresy among most type 3 guys but everyone has to get their car to where they see it in their own mind right? Thanks again for all the info.

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Yup the same, but reverse the lowering steps. Note when you do the rear, getting the spring plate back on it's stop will be a bitch, but it can be done (remember, you'll be dropping the spring plate down to raise the car up). I hope this helps and makes sense.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a tow chain wrapped around the upper bump stop AND my floor jack to compress mine.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anybody tried one of these to when lowering/raising the rear on your T-3??
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3980
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone have an idea of how many notches I can raise my '71 Squareback without any major issues? I actuall started cleaning up the axles today to get them ready for me to do the lift on it. I can't wait. So any opinions on how many clicks to go up, let me know. I'm going to do it this upcoming weekend. I will have to post a thread for this build man. Thanks again guys.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russ Wolfe wrote:
Has anybody tried one of these to when lowering/raising the rear on your T-3??
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3980


No, but I used a similar VW-custom version you often see on ebay or in vendor ads. It tends to wear the threads when using a lot of force--it needs to be greased which makes it slippery and messy, but it works. I used it on the front, too. It doesn't really fit either well, since it was made for swing axle rears, but I am careful about it slipping since the hooks are not made for IRS or the front.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more thing concerning the lift....you guys think I should do the inners or outer splines? Also anyone know if I need to buy new shocks before I do this or will the stock shocks work for a lift of a couple inches? Thanks again for any info.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have watched all 4 videos and read this whole thread but im still confussed on how to lower the back of my 73 bug.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is confusing

unbolt axle from end of spring plate
unbolt torsion cover
jack arm up by axle end
and pry out (behind arm at body/past small ledge)
with big screw driver (i use lug wrench or pickle fork)
while lowering jack

MARK WHERE YOU START!!
pull spring plate out and turn Up or Down desired splines
(I always prefer inner)

put torsion cover on with 2 Long bolts
Jack arm back up and onto the small ledge
bolt in
attach axle


My question is
why cant i Raise the front up 2 splines
it seams as i only get 1 then right side tierod bottoms out


this info would be good
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Anyone have an idea of how many notches I can raise my '71 Squareback without any major issues? I actuall started cleaning up the axles today to get them ready for me to do the lift on it. I can't wait. So any opinions on how many clicks to go up, let me know. I'm going to do it this upcoming weekend. I will have to post a thread for this build man. Thanks again guys.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i guess i need someone to do it for me
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the easist this method is a tried and proven one, and most certainly would work well for you. Laughing

Go to your local big box home improvement store and buy some bags of sand or cement and place behind the rear seat. Very low skills level required, but a good back helps. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomnotch wrote:

Go to your local big box home improvement store and buy some bags of sand or cement and place behind the rear seat. Very low skills level required, but a good back helps. Laughing


ok so how much "ass" does it take to lower it a few inches? will this kill the gas mileage?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ISENEGGER....it isn't very hard at all. Honestly, all it takes is a bit of patience and confidence.

Follow the video and it is okay to stop mid-project to reference the video again.

Don't pay a shop to do something you can do yourself. In the long run, if you get good at it, you can make money lowering your friends cars Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

with the bolts on the cv joint that my haynes manual calls "spline drive" if i strip them out could i replace them with regular bolts or is there a reason for them being the spline drive bolts?
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disregard my last posti found the too to take them out so its not a problem. my new problem is that im trying to lift a 71 bug using this same process and i took it all apart like you said but the trailing arm will not move far enough to get out of the way of the spring plate. is there some trick to getting it to move or should i just remove it entirely?
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to remove the CV's to get enough drop from the trailing arm. I've even had to remove the brake hose clip, to get a little more working room. You might have to release the parking brake cables as well, as not all cars are exactly the same in this respect.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i did remove teh cv joint and handbrake cable but did not un clip the brake line, and it was still a long way off from being out of the way. is there a reason not to take off the diagonal railing arm besides the fact that it takes some work to do?
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