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Jake70sqr Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2009 Posts: 2 Location: Redding, Ca
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Fisher wrote: |
It is strictly a "trial & error" sort of project. The first time is scary (rear!), but "piece of cake" the second time. |
Speaking of Scary... I just finished the rear passenger side Following Cugir's Youtube instructions and when I got it all back together I noticed that the Outer splines were sticking out about a quarter inch more than they had been previously. I'll post a picture tomorrow for it isn't very easy to explain.
I can only assume that the inner splines aren't seated in enough... I thought I would seek some wise counsel before bashing the S*** out of it with a hammer |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17962 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:29 am Post subject: |
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I don't know, but I'm thinking gunked up with 40 year old grease? I'd pull the bar all the way out to inspect the inner splines. Might clean up the splines with WD 40 and Silicone Spray? I'd be scared to just Hammer on it! It might never come apart again? _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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W1K1 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2004 Posts: 4896 Location: Southern AB
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Yup, probably grease between the torsion bar ends.
You probably shouldn't hammer on them when they are under tension though.
Unless you took both bars out at the same time? then you have to loosen them both up and start over. There is nothing to keep the bars centered when you take them out, so if one goes in too far the other side will stick out. _________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php
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1965 squareback 1500E
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Jake70sqr Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2009 Posts: 2 Location: Redding, Ca
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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W1K1 wrote: |
Yup, probably grease between the torsion bar ends.
You probably shouldn't hammer on them when they are under tension though.
Unless you took both bars out at the same time? then you have to loosen them both up and start over. There is nothing to keep the bars centered when you take them out, so if one goes in too far the other side will stick out. |
Thanks for the speedy reply guys. Well I guess I'll just pull them apart and do it right... |
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mty66 Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2007 Posts: 7 Location: texas
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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tanks for videos
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BDC-1 Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2009 Posts: 11
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:13 am Post subject: |
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looks good. how much did you drop it? |
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mty66 Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2007 Posts: 7 Location: texas
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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2 front 1 rear + tunning mov
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Preistt Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2010 Posts: 27 Location: Newton, Ks
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Heya guys,
I just got done with my drop. Couldn't get the 30mm nut off one side and couldn't get it back on on the other side. I found it easier to remove the bottom tightening bolt (below the ball joint) and just lift the lowering arm with a jack and some jumping on the front. Came right out!!
So here's before:
And here's AFTER the 3 inner clicks dropped:
You can see the mass of tools and such as me any my brother worked to figure it out.
My next question is that I'm sitting right on the rubber bumper on the front side. While we had everything apart, we went ahead and cut the rubber in half. Anyone have any pics of what if looks like if they just cut this piece off? How much more did it drop down?? I don't have any rub when driving right now, but need a much better ride as I'm bouncin pretty good.
And on another note, while working on everything I found that I had KYB Gas-A-Just shocks. Anyone know anything about these or how to adjust them?
Thanks as always.
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17962 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Some people cut the steel outriggers off on the front with a grinder. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up you end up with a lot of scum on the top! - Russ_Wolfe/Edward Abbey |
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Preistt Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2010 Posts: 27 Location: Newton, Ks
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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think a sawzall with a metal cutting blade would work? |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17962 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Probably/Maybe? _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up you end up with a lot of scum on the top! - Russ_Wolfe/Edward Abbey |
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oldskoolsteve Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2007 Posts: 73 Location: Vancouver Island Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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I just got my 63 rolling again and the next step... drop.
I guess I'm going to go 2 in front and 1 in rear.
Are those numbers all inner splines?
and how can you tell your movements if you cant see?
As you can tell I've never dropped a torsion bar before and I'm concerned about keeping the splines accounted for without a visual reference.
I'll watch the vids again. _________________ 63 Type 3 1500 notch
84 WESTY: Suby EJ22 powered
85 WESTY: needs engine and trans
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Preistt Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2010 Posts: 27 Location: Newton, Ks
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: |
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heres a couple tips.
watch the videos multiple times and pull them up while working for reference.
I had more luck taking out the bottom bolt and raising the arm than trying to remove the ball joint nut.
take your time when moving splines. feel them out and mark where you start to use as a guide.
good luck and post your results! |
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oldskoolsteve Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2007 Posts: 73 Location: Vancouver Island Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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So finally got to the job of lowering my 63 and after watching the videos, it was easier than a cake walk.
I spent more time watching the videos than the actual hands on work.
Thanks again. _________________ 63 Type 3 1500 notch
84 WESTY: Suby EJ22 powered
85 WESTY: needs engine and trans
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wolfswest Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2005 Posts: 44 Location: stekene, Belgium
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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I just watched the movies and started to lower the front with the inner spline method. Problem is I can't feel the splines and when I pull the steering arm out (so there isn't any torsion anymore) I really can put it back in one place, the place it was... or do I need to use a hammer for another height level?
quick tips are appreciated, I'm busy right now! |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17962 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I never have any trouble "feeling" the inner teeth if I'm pushing on the torsion arm/bar "feeling" for the next tooth on the other end as I rotate the torsion bar. If you had a $5 Magnetic Angle Gauge you'd learn it's about 12 degrees between teeth. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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wolfswest Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2005 Posts: 44 Location: stekene, Belgium
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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little update, I want to lower the car 2 splines because it's sitting with his nose in the air, I tried the other way, like if I would raise the car and that works, I mean, I can feel the splines, looks like I'm on the last spline or something... I hope you know what I mean... is that possible? |
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wolfswest Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2005 Posts: 44 Location: stekene, Belgium
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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is it correct I need to grind some metal away to put the arm one spline higher? that's the only thing I can think of why it wouldn't work....
update: yes, I grinded a little of the arm for the clearance I needed and now it was possible to drop it 2 splines: looking good! |
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volkswalker Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2007 Posts: 29 Location: Lincolnshire-UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:30 am Post subject: |
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wow just wanna thank the author of this thread as it helped me lower my late type 3 all on my own and im well pleased...cheers from the UK!!
before
here it is with the front lowered and the rear untouched
and now
didnt really rake note how many splines etc just got it level using a level on the rear spring plates and the front i went as low as poss without ther beam touching the deck
running stock 165.80 fronts and 195.45 front!!! |
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3LH Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 7
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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cugir, I just wanted to add my sincere thanks. You have done a service to fellow vw enthusiasts. Watching your video series gave me the confidence to tackle this job and I was able to do both sides of my Ghia in an afternoon.
Thanks again, much good karma to you.
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