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Banzai KG Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2004 Posts: 2992 Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: California Black Plate Bill Hearing Monday, April 9 |
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Received an email from a classic car list that I'm on...
Greetings ....
I hate Spam but this is VERY important
If you want to get these California black and gold LICENSE plates back on your 1963 to 1969 cars and trucks from 1963 thru 1972...
WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT (AND YOUR LOOSE CHANGE)
ON MONDAY APRIL 9TH - 1:30PM AT THE STATE CAPITOL
House Republican Minority Leader Mike Villines Bill AB 462 WILL BE HEARD BY Assembly Transportation Committee at 1:30pm in room 4202.
Bob Stearns President of ACCC will be addressing the committee
Everyone is invited to be there to suport Bob and show there is concerned people who care about this bill..
Here's the bill summary:
Under existing law, an owner of a vehicle that is a 1962 or older model year vehicle may, under specified circumstances, utilize license plates of this state with the date of year corresponding to the model year date when the vehicle was manufactured. This bill instead would authorize this option for the owner of a vehicle that is a 1969 or older model year or the owner of a commercial vehicle or pickup truck that is a 1972 or older model year.
If you can't make it... you can join ACCC $25 at http://www.acccdefender.org/individualapp.htm
Also send any loose change donations to help in the lobby efforts to see this bill thru to law.
Call Bob at (916)663-4584 he'll tell you where to send "lobby money".
--- John
Cruisin' News
PO Box 1096
Folsom CA 95763-1096
(916)933-0949
fax: (916)933-4791
[email protected] _________________ Jim Kikuchi
Sunnyvale (near San Jose), CA
1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
V.V.W.C.A. - Golden Gate Chapter: http://www.ggcvvwca.org/
B.L.T.N. (Better Late Than Never) late model VW Club (San Jose/Santa Clara, CA): https://www.facebook.com/groups/bltnvw/
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VolksFire Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2006 Posts: 901 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Jim is right everybody. This is very important. I've wanted to put black plates on my 66 bug and my 63 single cab for a long time. For those of you who have seen my single cab, those plates are actually blue plates that i painted black. But my 66 bug has those ugly white california plates. They're too hard to paint black. The blue ones are just easier cause they were stamped the same as black ones, minus the 63 in the corner.
Anyway to get back to the main point, we should all go to support this bill. Even if you don't really care and it doesn't apply to you, you should still go. I'll be there for sure. Thanks eveybody. Volksfire. |
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agreendaya Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2006 Posts: 1307 Location: Winthrop, MA USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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So if you have old plates on anything later than '62 you can get pulled over? |
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clearsurf2001 Samba Vaccinator
Joined: February 26, 2004 Posts: 1671 Location: Dave-AKA-fortyeye-Oceanside, Ca
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Lost_Camper Samba Member
Joined: November 18, 2005 Posts: 22 Location: About
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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agreendaya wrote: |
So if you have old plates on anything later than '62 you can get pulled over? |
Only if they're not already assigned to that car. If your dub's had those plates since the mid 60s and they're current and you have the papers to prove it, you're golden! _________________ If at the beginning and end of our lives we depend upon the kindness of others, why in the middle of our lives should we not act kindly toward them? -Dalai Lama |
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warcrocop Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2007 Posts: 81 Location: Laguna Hills, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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You should just get a pre 62 VW and then you don't have to worry about it. J/K. Good luck with that. The old black plates are cool. _________________ '56 Oval 36hp
'06 Scion XB 103hp
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bill may Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15278 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Somebody please explain to me what difference the plate on your car makes. All cars must have a license plate. Does a special plate make your car worth more? or does it just say "Look at me, I'm an attention whore". I view any license plate as a distraction from the beauty of the car, just like a pimple on your face. I want people to look at my car, not my plate. I just don't get it. Just my opinion. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
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bugntjw Rants Lurker
Joined: February 11, 2004 Posts: 698 Location: Purgatory
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
I view any license plate as a distraction from the beauty of the car, just like a pimple on your face. |
Depending on the color of the car, the white plate can be a huge "Pimple" and the black plate would not be such a huge pimple. Some want to restore their cars to as original as possible, and a YOM plate is the icing on the cake. And some want to incorporate their plates into the car, and stop it from being a pimple; to being an accessory. _________________ A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Wow...that was fun!"
Duct tape is like 'The Force'. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. |
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vwluver74 Samba Member
Joined: February 29, 2004 Posts: 889 Location: at the buffet in the fetus room
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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i hope this passes. i have a mint set of yellow plates with a perfect 1962 sticker for my 62 singlecab. id really like to use them. |
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coad Samba Scapegoat
Joined: September 12, 2002 Posts: 7552
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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How many states besides California have the system where the plates stay with the car when ownership changes? |
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VolksFire Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2006 Posts: 901 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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vwluver74 wrote: |
i hope this passes. i have a mint set of yellow plates with a perfect 1962 sticker for my 62 singlecab. id really like to use them. |
You already can. Putting yellow plates on a car is not a problem, if the car is a 62 or older. So in your case you should have no problem registering those plates.
The bill we are supporting is supposed to extend the cut-off year from 1962 (the current cut-off year) to 1969 for cars and 1972 for tucks/commercial models. That way, we will finally be able to put the black plates on the cars, which were issued from 63-69. Blue was issued from 69-87. The yellow plates you have were issued from 56-62. |
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notchback Insensitive Jerk
Joined: December 16, 2003 Posts: 7024 Location: Behind the Zion Curtain
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: |
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coad wrote: |
How many states besides California have the system where the plates stay with the car when ownership changes? |
I think most states do. Idaho is the only state that I've lived in where the plate belongs to the person. I've had cars in Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, Texas and Louisiana, and in all those states, the plate stays with the car (or at least it did when I lived there). _________________
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blankmange Type 3 Darksider
Joined: July 17, 2004 Posts: 11498 Location: Bloßer Stahl-preapocalyptic MidCoast
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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notchback wrote: |
coad wrote: |
How many states besides California have the system where the plates stay with the car when ownership changes? |
I think most states do. Idaho is the only state that I've lived in where the plate belongs to the person. I've had cars in Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, Texas and Louisiana, and in all those states, the plate stays with the car (or at least it did when I lived there). |
you have the option here in Missouri; keep the plates or not... _________________ póg mo thóin
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Buggeroff Argumentative Bastard
Joined: October 16, 2004 Posts: 1124 Location: Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: |
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notchback wrote: |
coad wrote: |
How many states besides California have the system where the plates stay with the car when ownership changes? |
I think most states do. Idaho is the only state that I've lived in where the plate belongs to the person. I've had cars in Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, Texas and Louisiana, and in all those states, the plate stays with the car (or at least it did when I lived there). |
Illinois plates stay with the owner and can be transferred to multiple future vehicle purchases.
I always thought that was a bit stupid since the plate only refers to the owner and not the vehicle untill it goes through the DMV process.
A car can be stolen, but, if the perp uses his own plates he has a window of opportunity to dispose of his loot.
Chris. _________________ "Chris of the Ozarks"
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pyrOman Fire Master
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 12400 Location: Over 2002 posts deleted!
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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notchback wrote: |
coad wrote: |
How many states besides California have the system where the plates stay with the car when ownership changes? |
I think most states do. Idaho is the only state that I've lived in where the plate belongs to the person. I've had cars in Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, Texas and Louisiana, and in all those states, the plate stays with the car (or at least it did when I lived there). |
In the People's Repulik of Kalifornia the plates belong to the owner of the vehicle. I started my plate collection by getting new plates on every vehicle I bought. Upon registering them, I simply told the dmv expert counter person that the previous owner kept the original plates and they'd issue me new ones no questions asked. Just as they do with personalized plates, they belong to the owner.
In Puerto Rico though, the plate (single one on the rear) not only has to stay with the vehicle but it actually belongs to the "state". Damn quasi socio-communist gunmint! _________________ Some people are so busy being clever they don't have time enough to be wise. |
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Bogey Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2006 Posts: 452 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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"they belong to the owner. Cool "
In reference to CA...
Uh, I think you are wrong. I bought my first 69 in 1991. It had blue plates on it. When I transferred the title the they asked if it had both plates on it. I said yes (cuz it did) and they left me alone and gave me a title.
When I bought my current 69, it had only the rear plate but it was BLACK. Remembering what was asked in 1991 by the DMV, I responded to saying " YES, it does have both plates on it, front and rear." and they gave me a title and left me alone. The plates, in my case DO NOT belong to the previous owner. Personal plates, that's a different issue.
BTW, the plate on my car looks like sheet and needs to be restored, but is Original to my car, hence, valuable to at least keep the uno I have. _________________ Volkswagen...Making mechanics out of owners since WW2.
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VolksFire Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2006 Posts: 901 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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In reference to CA...
Uh, I think you are wrong..... |
Well, keep in mind that 1969 was the transition date from black to blue plates. Depending on the date they changed, and the date your 69 was built, it's possible that a 69 bug could have come with either color plate.
Either that, or your 69 that had blue plates originally had black plates, and the owner just replaced them with the new blue plates when they came out.
Foe example: My 63 single cab originally had black plates, but the owner replaced them with blue plates in 1969, the year the blue plates were first issued. I have all the paperwork. |
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pyrOman Fire Master
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 12400 Location: Over 2002 posts deleted!
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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I still have the original black plates from my previous '65.
If the po decides not to keep the plates, dmv will just transfer them to you. If he keps them then you'll get new plates. _________________ Some people are so busy being clever they don't have time enough to be wise. |
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Bogey Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2006 Posts: 452 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="VolksFire"]
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In reference to CA...
Uh, I think you are wrong..... |
Well, keep in mind that 1969 was the transition date from black to blue plates. Depending on the date they changed, and the date your 69 was built, it's possible that a 69 bug could have come with either color plate.
Either that, or your 69 that had blue plates originally had black plates, and the owner just replaced them with the new blue plates when they came out.
Foe example: My 63 single cab originally had black plates, but the owner replaced them with blue plates in 1969, the year the blue plates were first issued. I have all the paperwork.[/quote
Oh, I agree with you. My first one may have had blackies once since it did have multiple owners before me. I just don't agree that the plates belong to the owners, that's all. I'm sure DMV would have wanted the old plates or either have them "DQed" if you will. _________________ Volkswagen...Making mechanics out of owners since WW2.
1968 Type 1 Beetle 1641 m/t conversion with IRS
1965 Type 1 Beetle 1200 Bahama Blue
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