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'69Custom
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the Governator and the legislature don't give a damn about auto enthusiasts desires. |
Arne is indeed a bit of a car guy.
If it was all about the increase in revenue, why would Gov Davis veto this bill THREE times? |
Two reasons as far as I'm concerned: The State of California wasn't nearly bankrupt and desperate for revenue and Gray Davis is an a$$hole.
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| I can see your point. We could even take it to the point where the government simply issues the number and the owners are responsible for putting the numbers on the vehicles. It works for boats and aircraft! |
Aside from my persaonl preference to liking the looks of old license plates, you have an interesting perspective. It isn't a bad idea short of the ramifcations of vehicle ID for law enforcement officers.
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johnnypan
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| Big deal on the black plate issue ...if you want some real trouble with the CA DMV try doing a lien sale on a car...not only do they pull you through a knothole (by some shiftless state employee no less) they treat you like you stole the car...And just think....now that the state is broke they are going to charge more for the privledge of dealing with those clowns... |
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Bruce
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| the classic story as I understand is that Davis said due to the black plates not containing reflective paint, speed cameras and such cannot read the plates,... |
That was told to him by law inforcement is what I heard.
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That's what I heard too.
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Bruce, you sure know a lot about California for a Canadian! |
Kinda embarrassing, huh?
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GeorgeL
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| the classic story as I understand is that Davis said due to the black plates not containing reflective paint, speed cameras and such cannot read the plates,... |
That was told to him by law inforcement is what I heard.
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That's what I heard too. |
That's kind of a silly argument considering that those cameras take good pictures of the driver's faces _inside_ the car!
The big law enforcement objection to non-reflective plates is that their "Laser Radar" guns need a retro-reflective plate to work well. That one is more founded in fact. They also use that argument in states where folks want to repeal the requirement for a front license plate.
The geek in me wonders what would happen if I made a license plate frame with a couple of dozen near-IR LEDs surrounding the plate. Not visible to humans, but far brighter than any reflection to a CCD device! |
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kombisutra
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Got a type 21 data plated 09 62
They gonna' let me run Yellow plates? |
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NiccoHel
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:46 am Post subject: |
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The geek in me wonders what would happen if I made a license plate frame with a couple of dozen near-IR LEDs surrounding the plate. Not visible to humans, but far brighter than any reflection to a CCD device! |
it works. so does a highly reflective spray from phantomplate dot com and a plastic sheet thing from... somewhere else. there is also a company that sells ir-light kits like that.
i wouldn't recommend it, though. the light setup will show up on nearly every camera. all a cop has to do is have an in-car display to notice it, and, from what i've heard, many ca police depts are putting camera systems with in-car displays specifically for running plates. that'd be a fun ticket to talk your way out of.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| finally got my registration for my black plates back from dmv yesterday, It took a while, but now my bus has its black plates back on it. |
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GeorgeL
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The geek in me wonders what would happen if I made a license plate frame with a couple of dozen near-IR LEDs surrounding the plate. Not visible to humans, but far brighter than any reflection to a CCD device! |
it works. so does a highly reflective spray from phantomplate dot com and a plastic sheet thing from... somewhere else. there is also a company that sells ir-light kits like that.
i wouldn't recommend it, though. the light setup will show up on nearly every camera. all a cop has to do is have an in-car display to notice it, and, from what i've heard, many ca police depts are putting camera systems with in-car displays specifically for running plates. that'd be a fun ticket to talk your way out of. |
It would be fun to see the cop figure out what vehicle code section prohibits use of lights that can't be seen by humans. After all, it's just part of my automatic garage door opener system! 
The camera systems the police departments are currently using are hooked directly to their main computer system and they check every plate that the camera sees without any action by the cop in the car. The stated purpose is to find stolen cars, but the more profitable application is to catch people who haven't paid their registration fees. Those folks just get their tickets in the mail. Big Brother loves you! |
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sircates
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| I have a 69 i would like to register with some black plates but before i go and buy some old black plates does anyone know if the have to be ones that were issued in 69 or can they be anywhere from 63 to 69??? |
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GeorgeL
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| I have a 69 i would like to register with some black plates but before i go and buy some old black plates does anyone know if the have to be ones that were issued in 69 or can they be anywhere from 63 to 69??? |
Well, if you look back through this thread and the other black-plate thread you'll find lots of points of view, some of them correct.
You could also look at the Vehicle Code. It isn't all that difficult to understand:
http://law.onecle.com/california/vehicle/5004.1.html |
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kidvintage
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| when I first bought my mustang and registered it in my name, the DMV made me remove my original black plates and install the ugly new white ones 15 years ago. Now, after the original plates were lost in a move or something, DMV is allowing me to use them again... The plates were perfectly legal as original to the car then and it gets my goat a little that I have to jump through their hoops to reuse something that I should've been permitted to use then, and had already on the vehicle when it was purchased. |
What were the circumstances where the DMV "made you" install new white plates? I have never heard of this. |
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kidvintage
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Yeah, I read what you wrote. But you mention ZERO circumstances.
Was it a lien sale situation?
Salvage title?
Theft recovery?
Maybe you LA guys are just going to that fucked-up DMV in downtown where the people at the counter dont know their ass from page eight? |
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CLASSIC CAR GUY
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As of 1/12/12 a company called www.licenseplates.tv of which i used many times to always order new metal black plates for my VW's to replace the beat up old orig ones stopped selling re popped plates for the state of California, I was told when i called they got a cease and desist order from the state of Ca. with no explanation why?.
The other plate maker CR8-APL8 (pronounced create a plate) stopped also, I called them and asked why and was told they got news that Calif was putting a bill up for a vote on April 9 to reissue black plates again, Today i found this on the Hemmings page, so it may be happening, pretty cool stuff for classic car guys here in calif!!
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/03/26/cali...refer=news
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crofty
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Anyone know the proceedure about re-reistering an original black plate to the car it came with when new? original registration shows the plate BUT the rub is that the owner only has one plate.
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CLASSIC CAR GUY
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| Anyone know the proceedure about re-reistering an original black plate to the car it came with when new? original registration shows the plate BUT the rub is that the owner only has one plate. |
you need a pair to get it done, dmv will not do it with one tag
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GeorgeL
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With only one plate they likely won't approve it unless the clerk is really lax.
It looks like the state's scheme to produce new black plates might come off. Here are the current tallies:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/legacyplates/index.htm
The bad news is that these plates will not be reproductions of the original black plates. They will be reflectorized so as to be visible by enforcement cameras and produced in current fonts and shapes. They will also not be available in original number series, only in a new series (likely one of the unused XXX### or ###XXX series now being used for affinity plates) or in personalized, which were not available at all in the black plate era. None of these would be acceptable on a serious restoration. For those who simply want a kewl black plate it will be fine.
I doubt that they would use a regular #XXX### series plate for the new black plate issue because it would be an open invitation for people to simply repaint a regular series plate, avoiding the yearly fee. I see a few people doing this already, usually on muscle cars. The two I see regularly are driven by people whose look suggests "cop" so I doubt they receive any flack for their repainted plates. |
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The camera systems the police departments are currently using are hooked directly to their main computer system and they check every plate that the camera sees without any action by the cop in the car. The stated purpose is to find stolen cars, but the more profitable application is to catch people who haven't paid their registration fees. Those folks just get their tickets in the mail. Big Brother loves you! |
What's wrong with the police catching irresponsible car owners. I pay my DMV fees, why won't they?
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GeorgeL
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The camera systems the police departments are currently using are hooked directly to their main computer system and they check every plate that the camera sees without any action by the cop in the car. The stated purpose is to find stolen cars, but the more profitable application is to catch people who haven't paid their registration fees. Those folks just get their tickets in the mail. Big Brother loves you! |
What's wrong with the police catching irresponsible car owners. I pay my DMV fees, why won't they? |
It took 3-1/2 years to come up with that response? 
I suppose that if one was sure that they were absolutely compliant with every single law on the books and OK with a machine being their judge and jury then one won't mind Big Brother enforcement.
I don't see having a project car with expired tags as such a heinous crime. The cameras don't care if it is legally parked off the street or not, they just see a number and run it. |
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