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Wiggy
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I'm pretty confident that some split verts/hebs came with the metal surrounded semaphores. Matter of fact, there was a set for sale a few months ago and they had VW part numbers on them.
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My '50 11G came with a set (restorer presumably used them) of those wrap arounds. I sold them and now have the "correct" kind...  |
Good thinking John, cos the ones you sold belong on a 50 convertible |
Doubtful. Ones that belonged on a 'vert would have had a VW logo on them I believe....
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Yes, that was what I was told. And notice the shape of the underside is not the same a the other ones pictured at that Kabriolett page.
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| johnshenry wrote: |
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| My '50 11G came with a set (restorer presumably used them) of those wrap arounds. I sold them and now have the "correct" kind... |
Good thinking John, cos the ones you sold belong on a 50 convertible |
Doubtful. Ones that belonged on a 'vert would have had a VW logo on them I believe.... |
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so who is right????
anyone got proof? or just moneybags and fast fingers?
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| In Carlos's Thread, he posts a pic of the vert semaphore, showing the AL # and stamped with the VW logo. |
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bam
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yep I knew rich got a heb.
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| yep I knew rich got a heb. |
What are you talking about????????????????? I didn't get no Heb |
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No offence John but those semaphores are frikin ugly, a face only a mother can love.
Suboval here you go..
And they belong to these bad boys.This guy wanted them color matched to factory specs and he got it.
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Of the the six early verts I have seen including the 1950 I own all had stock sedan type semiphore's. I have seen the wrap around type only in early saabs. I not total ruling out a speacial vert one but I would like to see a part list.
BTW a early 50 vert a freind has thats still in og paint has stock sedan L/R type sedan semiphores. They look like they have never been off the car. |
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Question: What do the stock sedan semaphores have stamped on the back?
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| Question: What do the stock sedan semaphores have stamped on the back? |
Numbers and letters 
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| Question: What do the stock sedan semaphores have stamped on the back? |
Numbers and letters |
OK....... 
Question 2: What are the letters and numbers on the back of stock sedan semaphores?
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Stupid me.....I just looked at the Zwitter spare parts manual again. Although not pictured, it has 2 different part numbers for semaphores. And they are:
953 021a - Trafficator, left and right, to suit Type 11A-H, 14A, 15A+B.
15 953 021 - Trafficator, left and right, to suit Type 15A+B.
So it is clear that there is/was 2 different types of semaphores prior to the smooth type of semaphore.
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Well, my initial question was not related on split vert sems but anyway.
I think these metal wrapped semaphores where really mounted at Karmann for a short period.
There where similar ones in Saabs, DKWs and other cars that where sometimes fitted into VWs by people but they never fit properly and of course their base was not VW stamped.
These vert ones fit well and have the VW sign and parts number in their base. VW used differend styles during the years, with screws holding the cover or with rivets, that came from differend producers. I guess that maybe caused by a supply shortfall a smal number had to be produced for VW with this unusual metal wrapped lens. Those maybe where completely delivered to Karmann and a number of verts got them there.
This is only a guess but as far as I know there are some verts known wich came along with them and it is hard to immagine that just exactely those split verts where later modified by their owners.
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No offence John but those semaphores are frikin ugly, a face only a mother can love.
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None taken. That is why I don't own them anymore.
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Suboval here you go..
And they belong to these bad boys.This guy wanted them color matched to factory specs and he got it.
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I'm still not completely convinced. You can see that the pivot lever is the same as the sedan ribbed, so it would have been a simple 2 screw operation to swap out the sedan ones for the wraparounds (and thus the L number base intact). Until I see some kind of period documentation that shows those kind on a 'vert, I think they were just conversions that people did.
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No offence John but those semaphores are frikin ugly, a face only a mother can love.
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None taken. That is why I don't own them anymore.
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Suboval here you go..
And they belong to these bad boys.This guy wanted them color matched to factory specs and he got it.
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I'm still not completely convinced. You can see that the pivot lever is the same as the sedan ribbed, so it would have been a simple 2 screw operation to swap out the sedan ones for the wraparounds (and thus the L number base intact). Until I see some kind of period documentation that shows those kind on a 'vert, I think they were just conversions that people did.
And BTW, L number SWFs had red cloth coil wraps, not black. SHOs had black lacquered paper coil wraps.
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Wiggy
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: |
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No offence John but those semaphores are frikin ugly, a face only a mother can love.
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None taken. That is why I don't own them anymore.
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Suboval here you go..
And they belong to these bad boys.This guy wanted them color matched to factory specs and he got it.
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I'm still not completely convinced. You can see that the pivot lever is the same as the sedan ribbed, so it would have been a simple 2 screw operation to swap out the sedan ones for the wraparounds (and thus the L number base intact). Until I see some kind of period documentation that shows those kind on a 'vert, I think they were just conversions that people did.
And BTW, L number SWFs had red cloth coil wraps, not black. SHOs had black lacquered paper coil wraps.
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No way. Why would people make a conversion like that when semaphores could be had at your local VW dealer?
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The top semaphore that was formerly John's has a grooved arm. The semaphore that Carlos listed has a ribbed arm. |
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My november -50 vert had one of these swf semaphores (now I have found two in very good condition) I have seen two more late -50 and early -51 who had them. They are deffinitly not something that somebody modified, btw where would they get the arms, newer seen them somewhere else. I dont say that all split vert had them but some deffinitly.
Btw the swf should have red clothes around the electrical magnet as John said (mine has) .
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