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HeSa
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I am a believer. The two on the left have VW logos and part numbers L 143.001-2. They fit the cabrio boxes so I have no problems using them.
b/r Heikki
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| HeSa wrote: |
I am a believer. The two on the left have VW logos and part numbers L 143.001-2. They fit the cabrio boxes so I have no problems using them.
b/r Heikki
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Very interesting. But it seems real odd that a sem could have the same part number (L 143.001-2) and yet have two different designs. Doesn't it? I have at least one pair that are numbered L 143.001-2 and are "regular" kind. That, and as was stated earlier, the fact that there is apparently NO VW or SWF literature that shows them. It could have been a retro fit "kit" to simplify the lens? Maybe since the sems were down lower on the 'verts, they got broken more often? and the kit was sold as an "improved " (and less expensive) design?
I dunno, just a thought....
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johnshenry
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Interesting, thanks for posting.
Is there anything there that would tell what ones were used by VW? I see only what looks like SWF product/part #s. Model numbers seem to be a function of length.
???
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johnshenry
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Oh, I see the car makes in the listings now, second page, 2nd down on the left is a VW "smoothie...."
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Also on the first page....bottom right hand corner
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| Also on the first page....bottom right hand corner |
Ahh, separate sem for the Kabs, but is still looks like a smoothie (it was a lower profile, post ribbededs though, right?). What year is this catalog? Do you see any "wrap arounds" in the listings? I'm not sure I do (at least for the VW ones....)
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So, what's the bottom line? They used the wrap arounds for '49 and '50 cabriolets? 
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This might help ID some of the different semaphores that people might have.
I have scans from all the 1950's catalogs that I have that had semaphores in them. There is a few more boxes of catalogs to go through, if I find more I will add them also. Here is the link:
http://www.in2vws.com/index.php?option=com_easygallery&task=category&cid=61&Itemid=30
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Wow, what a great site! What a great reference. I see some DKW sems that are the wraparound kind, but again no VW ones like that. Perhaps the DKW style arms and lenses were retrofitted on many cabs for some reason? Although it looks like they are 165mm long and not 160 mm like the VW sedan ones. Hmmm, could that be it? Anyone have an example of both?
IS THE WRAPAROUND KIND 5MM LONGER THAN THE SEDAN KIND IN THE ARM? Perhaps it filled the opening of the box used in the early cabs better?
[Again, just some theories.....]
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My november -50 vert had one of these swf semaphores (now I have found two in very good condition) I have seen two more late -50 and early -51 who had them. They are deffinitly not something that somebody modified, btw where would they get the arms, newer seen them somewhere else. I dont say that all split vert had them but some deffinitly.
Btw the swf should have red clothes around the electrical magnet as John said (mine has) .
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Reviving an old thread - As has been discussed on this and a few other threads - there seem to be 2 camps: The First Camp contends that all split era verts used the same semaphore as the sedans. The Second Camp contends there were a small number of split era verts that had the kabrio-specific semaphore (wraparound lense).
I have a question for those in the Second Camp: For those of you who have witnessed examples of early verts with the unique semaphore, what is the latest known example in terms of month/year? There is a suggestion in Bengt's response as well as others that it was no later than early 1951. Does anyone know of an example in mid to late 1951 or possibly even in 1952 (pre 10/52 when the Zwitter started)? |
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| My november -50 vert had one of these swf semaphores....I dont say that all split vert had them but some deffinitly....Bengt |
Reviving an old thread . . . . I have a question for those in the Second Camp: For those of you who have witnessed examples of early verts with the unique semaphore, what is the latest known example in terms of month/year? There is a suggestion in Bengt's response as well as others that it was no later than early 1951. Does anyone know of an example in mid to late 1951 or possibly even in 1952 (pre 10/52 when the Zwitter started)? |
I guess its prettly lame to quote yourself, but I am bumping this thread again to see if anyone has any feedback to my question posed in May. |
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| My november -50 vert had one of these swf semaphores....I dont say that all split vert had them but some deffinitly....Bengt |
Reviving an old thread . . . . I have a question for those in the Second Camp: For those of you who have witnessed examples of early verts with the unique semaphore, what is the latest known example in terms of month/year? There is a suggestion in Bengt's response as well as others that it was no later than early 1951. Does anyone know of an example in mid to late 1951 or possibly even in 1952 (pre 10/52 when the Zwitter started)? |
I guess its prettly lame to quote yourself, but I am bumping this thread again to see if anyone has any feedback to my question posed in May. |
I have a pair of them at home, let me see if the date code is readable....
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| Thanks John - that would be great. |
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can somebody help me to identify this pair?
is there a chance to can use it for karmann cabrio?
there is no logo or numbers on it.
i know that were a lot of other cars with semaphore...but can be identify that in what car was used this pair?
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can somebody help me to identify this pair?
is there a chance to can use it for karmann cabrio?
there is no logo or numbers on it.
i know that were a lot of other cars with semaphore...but can be identify that in what car was used this pair?
photo:
http://imagerz.com/QE5PXUtvAwMCUF1ORwVR |
Bottom line is that if there is no VW logo or part number on it, it is now a vert VW sem.
I have in my possession a true VW vert sem, date coded and all. Late now, but I will post pics in this thread next day or two.
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I have in my possession a true VW vert sem, date coded and all. Late now, but I will post pics in this thread next day or two. |
Hi John,
did you ever get around to photographing this semaphore? I cannot se a response. Even though it is some time later I would still be very interested to see the picture and date code if you found it.
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Could it be that the wrapped sema's are used or changed by the owners after they broke the og ones... See: car is running, sema is out, you open the door en get out...Dang, the sema is bend. So ; you find a stronger type to avoid this. Just my toughts.
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johnshenry
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I have in my possession a true VW vert sem, date coded and all. Late now, but I will post pics in this thread next day or two. |
Hi John,
did you ever get around to photographing this semaphore? I cannot se a response. Even though it is some time later I would still be very interested to see the picture and date code if you found it.
Cheers,
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Actually I don't have that sem. I thought it was original, but I just started restoring it as part of a lot of 13 that are all owned by the same person. I think there are pics of it maybe in the Zarwerks Spy Cam thread.
I found that it was a non-VW wrap around arm/lens, but trans planted into an SHO grooved sem/body and coil. So I am still not convinced that VW ever used any wrap around sems in production.
Most of the wraparound ones you see are actually about 1.5cm longer than the pocket in the B pillar is anyway. A VW sem is 175mm, most of them are about 190. Wouldn't even fit...
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| Could it be that the wrapped sema's are used or changed by the owners after they broke the og ones... See: car is running, sema is out, you open the door en get out...Dang, the sema is bend. So ; you find a stronger type to avoid this. Just my toughts. |
Sounds like a very reasonable possibility. As John said the arms are a little longer; they do require some modification to fit the SWF unit, including notching the top of the arm so it will fit in the sema box.
There have been a handful of photos of unrestored split convertibles with the wrap around style arm, but does anyone have any proof that they were on the car when it left the factory? Or possibly a common replacement as Peter suggested?
I would be very interested in any information anyone might have. I love the history of all the little details on these cars.
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