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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now I fully understand the issue . I have taken Ignition locks apart before and fixed them either with parts from other switches or just repaired what I had . Is it possible that if the housing was re Staked that it may still be a functional unit ?
Have you tried it to see if it works or are you just assuming the worst with out trying it ?
I am not trying to take sides here ,just understand what is at issue and if Danny is standing by his statement ,has it been properly tested so that you have some recourse .
I have has some issue's with items I've sold and have always been able to make it right ,either by having the buyer review my ad or a refund .
Thanks for the reply ,I hope this works out for you .

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

16CV's wrote:
So now I fully understand the issue . I have taken Ignition locks apart before and fixed them either with parts from other switches or just repaired what I had . Is it possible that if the housing was re Staked that it may still be a functional unit ?
Have you tried it to see if it works or are you just assuming the worst with out trying it ?
I am not trying to take sides here ,just understand what is at issue and if Danny is standing by his statement ,has it been properly tested so that you have some recourse .
I have has some issue's with items I've sold and have always been able to make it right ,either by having the buyer review my ad or a refund .
Thanks for the reply ,I hope this works out for you .

Stacy



For $150.00 I was not expecting I would have to FIX by replacing anything. For the $150.00 spent I shouldn't have to buy another whole unit of the same part to fix the part I bought because it was unfixable.

Stacy sez:
"Is it possible that if the housing was re Staked
that it may still be a functional unit ?"


Suebug sez:
The wafer is grease rotten.

Stacy sez:
"Have you tried it to see if it works or are you just assuming the worst
with out trying it ?"

Suebug sez:
I didn't touch it except to take pictures to document its condition so I could try and get my money back from Danny.

I expect to have to clean up any used part I buy to make it as good as
possible but not buy another classified ad used part that is fixable to repair the part I bought that was supposed to be good but not junk that is not fixable.


For example, there is another housing for sale in the classifieds for
$50 that is as bad as Danny's that doesn't claim to be any good.

I have several VW vehicles and have had several broken electric starter
switches apart and fixed so it's not like I don't realize stuff about
these things.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks

I now understand the whole situation ,which was not really clear to me at first . Sometimes I am a little slow and need things "splained" to me .
Looks like you guys are in a true standoff here .

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once sold a new rear bus window rubber. Thought it was for an older bus (64-67) but it turned out to be a later model one. It was too big. Because I failed to do any investigation before I sold it, I offered to refund the money.

I do like the idea to sell electrical parts as a core. Not a $150 core Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suebug wrote:
16CV's wrote:
So now I fully understand the issue . I have taken Ignition locks apart before and fixed them either with parts from other switches or just repaired what I had . Is it possible that if the housing was re Staked that it may still be a functional unit ?
Have you tried it to see if it works or are you just assuming the worst with out trying it ?
I am not trying to take sides here ,just understand what is at issue and if Danny is standing by his statement ,has it been properly tested so that you have some recourse .
I have has some issue's with items I've sold and have always been able to make it right ,either by having the buyer review my ad or a refund .
Thanks for the reply ,I hope this works out for you .

Stacy



For $150.00 I was not expecting I would have to FIX by replacing anything. For the $150.00 spent I shouldn't have to buy another whole unit of the same part to fix the part I bought because it was unfixable.

Stacy sez:
"Is it possible that if the housing was re Staked
that it may still be a functional unit ?"


Suebug sez:
The wafer is grease rotten.

Stacy sez:
"Have you tried it to see if it works or are you just assuming the worst
with out trying it ?"

Suebug sez:
I didn't touch it except to take pictures to document its condition so I could try and get my money back from Danny.

I expect to have to clean up any used part I buy to make it as good as
possible but not buy another classified ad used part that is fixable to repair the part I bought that was supposed to be good but not junk that is not fixable.


For example, there is another housing for sale in the classifieds for
$50 that is as bad as Danny's that doesn't claim to be any good.

I have several VW vehicles and have had several broken electric starter
switches apart and fixed so it's not like I don't realize stuff about
these things.


My CAT can even spot a bogus electrical switch.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bought a muffler for my squareback from Danny. Price was fair and the part is in good condition. Happy customer here in NZ thanks Danny.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

suebug wrote:
I can get online or call an auto junkyard seeking a part. They in turn get
on a "hotline" and usually find the part, sell, and ship it. If the part
proves to be junk there is an understood code of ethics that if I can get
the junk part back to them they will try to get me a working one that at
least meets the standards of the asking price.

There's a difference between an auto junkyard and a dump. If Danny said he found the part in the dump I'd feel fully responsible but he didn't say that.

Danny's classified ad wrote:
Very hard to find Type 3 part. $150 plus shipping

Suebug: If I send it back for reimbursment minus shipping and it's so rare
and valuable you can resell it.

Danny's classified ad wrote:
I'm thinking this still works.

Danny's reply wrote:
I wrote that it still might work in my ad.

Danny's reply wrote:
Almost everyone that asks about parts would ask if the ignition switch worked or not.

Suebug: Why would I ask? You already said it might work based on your
experience with parts.


Danny's reply wrote:
You didn't ask whether the switch worked or not.

Suebug: Why would I ask if it didn't work? You already said it might
work.


Danny's reply wrote:
If you would have, I would have told you that I didn't know because I bought it in a junkyard.

Suebug: It's already been established that you didn't know but you thought
it might work so it was assumed you had looked it all over to be worth
$150.

Danny's classified ad wrote:
Its missing the cap on one side.

Suebug: It is that area that my photos show the unusable, no good, part that
I was purchasing the part for. If you would have looked there you would have
seen what I saw, a junk switch.

Danny's classified ad wrote:
If this part breaks (it happens alot) your stuck the VW won't start if its broken.

Suebug: The key barrel and electric switch are all part of this part. The
"(it happens alot)" is the elecrical part, the part that is no good
("if its broken").


Danny's classified ad wrote:
Very hard to find Type 3 part. $150 plus shipping.

Suebug: Very expensive paperweight when seller sells junk, buyer doesn't
realize it till it is in her possesion, and seller says "too bad".

Danny's reply wrote:
You assumed that the switch was good but I never made that guarantee.

Suebug: True. But now that it has been shown to be mostly junk in the area
that was touted as being "hard to find" and "won't start without it" am I
simply a victim of a Samba ad?

So I am out the $150 and still state that I will never buy from Danny
again. I know he couldn't care less. Beware that you are buying junk from a junkyard.

BTW, I have a complete type3 ignition switch for sale that people have
said may be good. It's hard to find and several people have said that you
will need this part. You are stuck if you buy this part and it is broken.


Gary and I are still waiting for a response from Danny Z about this broken electrical part. Refund, Danny? No email, no call, nuthin;. Great customer service, Danny Z.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

suebug,

In your first e-mail to me, you wrote, "I need to talk to you about the column ignition switch key thing I bought that was supposed to be '67 and probably a good electric switch as the ad said when I bought it. I know you said "as is"..."

The ad said the switch might be good and that I bought the part in a junkyard. I don't buy from junkyards that use radios or scanners. Most of those junkyards, have no returns on electrical parts. I sell a lot of VW parts and I find a lot of them in junkyards. I've been buying Type 3 steering columns for about 25 years. I don't find them very often, it is a rare and hard to find part. Before this one, I hadn't found one for almost 10 years. I used to sell them all to a guy that restored them and he would pay me $125 for a core, so I based my price in the ad on that. He is no longer around and no longer restores columns but he would sell them for $350/$400. Again, my ad said this switch might work. If you look up might it means there is a possibility. In your e-mail you stated that it was "as is". You bought it knowing that it was as is.

I know the value of this part. Here is a current ad for one that is in good, working condition for $350. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1464094 This ad was posted when she was looking to buy my column. If I had known mine was in good working condition, it would be closer to the price in the current ad. You first tried to low ball me and I refused your offer and included shipping in the asking price.

I sell a lot of parts to a lot of people. I try to describe my parts as best as I can in my ads. I am not selling parts that I replaced on my cars, that I know are bad. I search the globe looking for Rare parts and I never have the intention of selling bad or broken parts. If it is a rare part, I am probably going to buy it because someone is going to need it. If I sell something and I send the wrong part, that would be my fault and I would gladly give you your money back. That is not the case here. This hard to find part was removed from a 1967 VW Squareback my me

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advertising a part as "might work" is very misleading.

Save face, give a refund for the part and then sell the part again for that core value you put on it. Very low net loss for each party.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She stated she knew it was purchased "as is" nothing misleading about that!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Good experiences! Reply with quote

Very happy with my experience! Had exactly what I wanted and shipping was very quick. Hope to do business again
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She stated she knew it was purchased "as is" nothing misleading about that!


It is one thing to say "as is" and another to say "might work." "Might work" implies that there is a chance it is functioning, but I think Suebug is implying that you knew it was not due to the damage that she claims was obvious to an experienced eye. In other words, she is saying you knew the part would not work. Given that you were selling it for core value and not full operational value it would appear that you knew it was likely not functioning and were creating false hope, which would appear to be somewhat unethical.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Braukuche wrote:
DannyZ wrote:
She stated she knew it was purchased "as is" nothing misleading about that!


It is one thing to say "as is" and another to say "might work." "Might work" implies that there is a chance it is functioning, but I think Suebug is implying that you knew it was not due to the damage that she claims was obvious to an experienced eye. In other words, she is saying you knew the part would not work. Given that you were selling it for core value and not full operational value it would appear that you knew it was likely not functioning and were creating false hope, which would appear to be somewhat unethical.


As-is or not, what's the big deal with giving her the money back? Sue offered to pay shipping both ways, just take it back and sell it to someone else. All Danny needs to do it click the "activate" button on his ad, and when it comes back it will already be boxed up and ready to ship for the next customer.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I've learned is to NEVER buy these early Type 3 ignitions used unless you plan to do some work to them. The rear bakelite is almost always broken-no matter how good they look in pictures. Expecting anything else is risky.

Selling something you know might be broken (based on 20 years of experience) is also misleading.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not wild about commenting on buyer/seller issues when I don't have personal knowledge of the situation. But…this is just bad business on DannyZ's part.
Refund the money Mr. Z. By hiding behind "buyer beware" your reputation is taking a hit far in excess of the $150. And you will resell that part to someone else who wants a core to work on.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the simple truth.

When I received the item I opened the box, removed, examined, and immediately noticed the switch was badly damaged. It was at that very moment that I realized I had been misled.

Nothing more, nothing hidden.


I, of course, looked the whole steering column surround over, wondering if I could save my losses, and that is when I noticed the butt-connector which led me to believe the item was previously worked on, not by you, Danny, of course.

Thinking I may have misread the ad, and knowing that USA '67s didn't come with steering locks (M-248: all export), which yours DID include, I went back to re-read the ad thinking I'd discover my misunderstandings.

I was the one that said "as is" assuming the common responsible knowledge that a used part is "as is (advertised)". However, I was duped by the wording of the knowledgeable expert that you are in thinking that you had actually looked at the switch itself.

Thinking that people make mistakes, especially with the high volume of parts you must turn over, that a simple e-mail might clear things up. I was not accusing you of not knowing what you were selling.

I acknowledged that you paid the shipping and the lower original offer is common and was not a gyp offer.

If the part is so rare and valuable "as is" with the broken electric switch then it could be resold by you. As I stated I would subtract the shipping you paid and pay return shipping.

I still need the electric part and was prepared to re-key the lock cylinder to my original key. Like I stated, if I have to, I will try to rebuild the electric switch.

As far as wrecking yards not taking returns on electric items, it's the same thing; I would at least expect the broken part to be intact not hanging part way out from its broken bakelite wafer if the seller observed from the visible outside opening that "it might be good".


Some excerpts from the original ad:

1. "the Squareback did not have another ignition switch so I'm thinking this still works. I don't have the key.

-To me (sorry if I thought wrong) this implies that maybe the junkyard car looked fairly unmolested which is a benefit.
-It implies that you could not turn the switch nor test it electrically with a meter but that you looked it over by sight.
-It implies that the buyer will have to replace the lock cylinder or re-key it.


2. "Its missing the cap"

-The missing cap is a benefit, in this case since it exposed the obvious broken switch. Just like I was able to see, you could have seen the broken switch and, at least, said the switch was broken.


3. "If this part breaks (it happens alot) your stuck the VW won't start if its broken."

-This implies that you, at least, looked at the all-important switch to see if it was broken.

-What else can I say? It's broken, I'm stuck.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ataraxia wrote:
One thing I've learned is to NEVER buy these early Type 3 ignitions used unless you plan to do some work to them. The rear bakelite is almost always broken-no matter how good they look in pictures. Expecting anything else is risky.

Selling something you know might be broken (based on 20 years of experience) is also misleading.



I was not so lame as to think I wouldn't have to trick out Danny's used switch part.

My Squareback broke exactly as you describe. When I bought his I was hoping I would be the one that opened the tabs and dolled up the insides to be usable for another few years, not that I would have to start with one in worse shape than my own. That is why when he drew attention to the fact the cover was off and the Bakelite exposed that he would have said it was broken already.

He said it "might work". Mine or his "might work" if I could jam some whittled matchsticks down both sides, put a Tinkertoy hub over the switch, and wrap a spool of Duct tape around the steering column to hold it all together.


Thanks for the responses, ataraxia, and everyone even Danny.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been succinct and kept the dialogue on the point, not the spinning vortex repetitive not-focusing-on-the-real-issue. Now my cat is trying to bury the part.
Danny, you are overdue for a reply here.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:02 am    Post subject: Dan Gurney mag wheels, 71-79 Bus Reply with quote

DannyZ,

I now have the coolest set of wheels in town!
Thanks for a smooth transaction.

If you ever come across 1 more, I would definitely buy it for a spare.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:04 am    Post subject: NOS TYPE 3 MANUAL Reply with quote

I had ordered a NOS 1970 Type 3 Squareback/Fastback manual from Danny, and was satisfied with the transaction. Manual looks amazing, and the price was more than reasonable. Happy doing business with you.
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