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slo356 Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2002 Posts: 365 Location: Central Calif Coast
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:26 pm Post subject: Time for KONI's |
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Well, I received my KONI shocks today for my bone stock '65 sedan. I noticed a major sale currently of $182 per pair on the 801349 fronts and the same for the 801350 rears directly from KONI USA. The shocks are the Red Classics which are still made in Holland and finished beautifully, they come really close to matching my Ruby Red paint. I even ordered one of their t-shirts!
I am replacing Boge on the front and Bilstein on the rear. Will start the install and post pics and results of ride and handling. I'm really interested in comparing different settings.
The Baywindow guys (and girls) have known about the KONI's for the last ten years or so and report great improvements...I'll see if they give a similar benefit for T-1's. _________________ '65 T1 Sedan
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j.goodspeed Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 325 Location: Ripon, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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You will love the Koni's I have used Special D's for years. You will most likely like the lowest setting due to the light weight if a type 1 VW.
Congrats! _________________ Jeremy Goodspeed
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henry roberts Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2003 Posts: 1275 Location: australia
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:31 am Post subject: Re: Time for KONI's |
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The beetle cornering performance guys (and girls) have known about the KONI's for the last fifty five years plus and report great improvements... so you should be pleased. |
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slo356 Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2002 Posts: 365 Location: Central Calif Coast
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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After a few delays brought on by other mechanical "issues", I finally have finished up the swapping out of Boge fronts and Bilstein rears on my '65 T-1 for Konis all around. Quick review of the Konis is that after maintenance and safety stuff, THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR Type 1 is install KONI SHOCKS. It is hard to believe the improvement in ride and handling. It is firm yet rides very smooth. Bridge joints and segmented concrete have lost their jolt. It feels like there is far less rear swing axle wrap. Kind of reminds me of my old BMW 2002...kinda.
You may have heard about adjusting these shocks by referring to a certain amount of "clicks". There are no clicks but rather the number turns between the top and bottom tubes. Compress the shocks all the way and rotate. I added blue tape to the tubes so that indexing my settings would be easier to see and count. I set mine at first to zero rotations (softest) on the front and one and half rotations on rear which translates to 75% firm. Eventually, I settled on fronts to one and a half turns and continued the 75% firm on rear.
Also, did king and link pins, super lube job, rear donuts, adjusted Michelin 165 XZX's to 20psi fronts and 27psi rear, stock rims, stock front swaybar and four wheel alignment.
After twenty years of wanting these shocks, they are really a nice addition to my car.
Left to right front: Boge, Koni, Bilstein, Cofab
Bilstein shocks on the rear did lift the rear a bit, too harsh for my taste.
I added tape to aide in the indexing.
Konis can be easily adjusted on the car by undoing bottom bolt, compressing and rotating.
Front shocks installed by attaching bottom first.
To adjust fronts, top bolt is removed, compressed and rotated. Great looking Vintage Koni logo sticker.
_________________ '65 T1 Sedan
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onetuza Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2012 Posts: 579 Location: Sebastian, FL
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:01 am Post subject: |
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slo356 wrote: |
I set mine at first to zero rotations (softest) on the front and one and half rotations on rear which translates to 75% firm. Eventually, I settled on fronts to one and a half turns and continued the 75% firm on rear.
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Just to be clear, you are saying you ended up adjusting both the front and the rear the same at one and a half turns, thus no difference for more weight in rear? _________________ When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather . . . .
Not screaming, like the other passengers in his car! |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17285 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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onetuza wrote: |
, thus no difference for more weight in rear? |
The front shocks are valved softer the rears, hence the different part numbers. That's what compensates for the extra weight at the rear. _________________
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5966 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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`Very nice write up, and right in time as I just got some Koni's for the front of my 62. In the rear I'm replacing the current KYB gas adjust with adjustable Spax. They have a knob for adjustment, which is easier as I have a torque bar tied to the top shock mount and a sway bar tied to the bottom. Did you try the rears on the harder settings? How does the front do under hard braking? Dive at all? |
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j-dub Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2003 Posts: 865 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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I am planing on buying Konis for my bug as well and just was looking for any further reviews and feedback on what setting you ended up with.
Thanks,
Jeremy _________________ 1957 Oval rag
"POLICE STATION TOILET STOLEN ... Cops have nothing to go on." |
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girlscoutcookies Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2014 Posts: 10 Location: Jakarta
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:38 am Post subject: Re: Time for KONI's |
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Awesome thread. My 69 Bug is gonna be fitted with them too. Question is, what works best with adjustable front beam & dropped spindles? CSP Germany listed P/N 80-2275 for the front. But on the web I can only find the 80-1787 ones. Anyone here ever had experiences with two of them? |
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slayer61 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2021 Posts: 1018 Location: CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Time for KONI's |
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I have the 80-1787 on the front of my 'glass buggy set to full soft. I have dropped spindles and an adjustable beam. The ride is firm, as that's what I was hoping for, but not harsh.
Konis and sway bars front & rear
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