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vmx12vmx12vmx12 Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2005 Posts: 155 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: rear brake drum question |
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The children at the local tire shop who balanced my tires overtorqued my lugs and damaged the threads in the rear brake drum. When I put a lug nut in, it seems to thread then just spin at the end.....what are my options gents? (other than buying a new drum) _________________ "Don't you say another word about dat boy. Fact'o business, don't you say another word to me. I ain't listening to you no more mmmhhmm"---Slingblade---"I like them French fried potaters" |
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klokard Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2005 Posts: 158
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Have studs pressed in. It's a better set up anyways. Now you have a reason to do it. |
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efi67vw Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 558 Location: las vegas, nv usa
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
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buy new drums or have yours studded. |
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Ferretkona Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2005 Posts: 1306 Location: Columbia, CA
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:40 am Post subject: |
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If you replace the drums the tire shop who damaged them are responsible. And do not let them put cheap bug drums on the back. |
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed
Joined: April 15, 2005 Posts: 4622 Location: SE CR IA US NA PE
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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In the future, just take your wheels and tires in to be balanced, and do all the installation yourself. _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
049 > 070 > 053 > 009 |
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vmx12vmx12vmx12 Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2005 Posts: 155 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't pay for the balances....about 80 bucks in lieu of the damage...I supose I could run on 4 lugs...lol
Yes that was 80 bucks....
Believe it or not, it's hard to find a place that has an adaptor to fit our wide opening. At least here in Kingston it is. _________________ "Don't you say another word about dat boy. Fact'o business, don't you say another word to me. I ain't listening to you no more mmmhhmm"---Slingblade---"I like them French fried potaters" |
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed
Joined: April 15, 2005 Posts: 4622 Location: SE CR IA US NA PE
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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vmx12vmx12vmx12 wrote: |
I didn't pay for the balances....about 80 bucks in lieu of the damage...I supose I could run on 4 lugs...lol
Yes that was 80 bucks....
Believe it or not, it's hard to find a place that has an adaptor to fit our wide opening. At least here in Kingston it is. |
That's why I bought one, so I wouldn't have to worry about what the tire place has: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=373915
Nobody in my area could balance wide-5s either, and I was calling *everybody*. _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
049 > 070 > 053 > 009 |
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Woreign Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: Crestview FL
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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If you had a spare front hub, could it be used to mount the wheel to the balancer? |
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bciesq Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2005 Posts: 495 Location: Orlando, FL
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Woreign wrote: |
If you had a spare front hub, could it be used to mount the wheel to the balancer? |
I asked the tire manager at Costco that exact question while they were rotating/balancing the wheels on my wife's car. He said that the center opening on the hub was too small to fit a modern balancing machine. Perhaps you could have the hub drilled out at a machine shop?
In the past, I've had luck calling RV dealerships. Wide wheels are common on RVs and the dealers usually know who in the area still has an old bubble balancer or the proper adapter for a modern balancing machine. _________________ '73 Thing -- making 45 mph exciting again. |
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kubelmann Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2003 Posts: 3266
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: |
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If you go to the VW dealer you can buy rabbit or other air cooled lug bolts. They are longer than Thing lug bolts so they hit the threads deeper in the drum. That is a lowcost quick fix. But like others have stated. Going to studs instead of bolts is the best solution for any Thing. Wheel studs rock stud bolts not..... |
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Ian Epperson Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2005 Posts: 2262 Location: Alameda, CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: |
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kubelmann wrote: |
Wheel studs rock stud bolts not..... |
Why? I've heard this before, and I've heard that stud bolts are fine. I know a several people with stud bolts, and they've never had a failure. I can imagine that if you don't use locktite (red!) or something similar to lock the threads (JB Weld?) it may back out unknowningly with use and eventually you'd lose a stud bolt. Is this the only reason why they're maligned?
I just bought a full set of stud bolts (including a set of locks) and plan on putting those in place later this week. Torque them up with jam nuts and an extra helping of locktite red to hold them in place. Since I know what I'm looking at and since I'm the only one who takes the wheels off I'll be able to easily spot any problems. |
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sam_w Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 1479 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:37 am Post subject: balancing VW bus and thing wheels |
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If you live in the South Bay Area of San Francisco.
Wheel Works (408) 255-2800, 18522 Prospect Road Saratoga, CA 95070 have the wide adapter and have balanced my wheels for me with no problem.
BTW what is the ID spec on rear drums, I want to find out if have have drums or boat anchors in my parts stash? _________________ 63 singlecab
73 thingster
74 Thing
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xeno Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 653 Location: Mile High
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Better yet, get a strobe balance or any other on-car wheel balance.
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vmx12vmx12vmx12 Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2005 Posts: 155 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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I believe the ID allowable limits are stated right on the drum _________________ "Don't you say another word about dat boy. Fact'o business, don't you say another word to me. I ain't listening to you no more mmmhhmm"---Slingblade---"I like them French fried potaters" |
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thinghunter Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2004 Posts: 403 Location: North Texas
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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My tire shop guy is a VW owner and says that if you setup the machine for dual wheels you can balance them with no problem. He did mine and I don't have any problems. The whole wheel drum thing might not work he said because they aren't perfectly balanced either. And as far as balancing them on the car he has a machine to do that but has it packed away because it's impractical too since when you balance it on the car if you ever have to take it off you have to be sure to put it back on in exactly the same position using the lug nuts in the exact same holes or your balance will be off. As far as lug bolts go they must be fine as VW is still putting them on cars today. |
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sam_w Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 1479 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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ok
I will clean off my drums and look for the ID limits
Thanks _________________ 63 singlecab
73 thingster
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lukesky Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2006 Posts: 246 Location: See The Rabbits, IA
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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I bought a set of studs when the rear drums on mine got stripped. I probably ran for almost 200 miles off and on before I noticed I was missing a bolt. The studs haven't budged since. They're kinda cheezy looking 'cause the nuts are chrome and about 3" long, but it's better than nothing.... _________________ You get what you get, and you don't throw a fit.
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed
Joined: April 15, 2005 Posts: 4622 Location: SE CR IA US NA PE
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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thinghunter wrote: |
And as far as balancing them on the car he has a machine to do that but has it packed away because it's impractical too since when you balance it on the car if you ever have to take it off you have to be sure to put it back on in exactly the same position using the lug nuts in the exact same holes or your balance will be off. |
That's kind of a dumb excuse on his part. All you need to do is make a little chalk mark on the wheel and drum so you know how to orient them later. _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
049 > 070 > 053 > 009 |
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alg Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2006 Posts: 134 Location: Webberville, TX
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: |
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So, where do you get these studs for the drums?
Can you put them on yourself, or do you need a press of some kind??
(Stripped one rear last weekend, so this thread was very timely)
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rnewman99 Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2006 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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I would love any additional feedback you guys have on converting 5 wide drums to 14mm studs. I need a good solution so the I can mount some paddles mounted on douglas wheels. any problems with brake hardware clearance? any reliabilty issues? drums prone to cracking? Any info much appreciated |
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