filter pump with stock muffler

Goranothos · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: filter pump with stock muffler

Very soon I will be using my '70 for a daily driver, approx 12000 miles a year, and I would like to install one of these so I can extend my oil change intervals to 3k:

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC%2D043%2D115%2D115

I am running a stock muffler with a 1600dp. Will the filter pump fit, or am I out of luck?

nc68bugman · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject:

No it won't fit! Went through that problem Myself last year! Read the ad, it explains this, I also learned first hand! Scott

Goranothos · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject:

Ad doesn't explain anything. "May interfere with stock original mufflers." "May" means it might or might not. Who knows?

Eric&Barb · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject:

Hi Goranothos,
"May" if the heat riser tube on the left front interfers with the filter used. Some modern day maker/s of "stock" mufflers have switched this tube to the right side.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=242504&highlight=filter+pump
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nc68bugman · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject:

Sorry, should have elaborated, I had interference from the heat riser tube which dented in the filter and wouldn't allow removal of filter plus the fact that is was laying on the filter soaking up more heat, that was with a stock og muffler and risers! Scott

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Goranothos · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject:

Been changing oil every 1k miles, but only going 3k a year. Gonna switch it to a daily driver which will up it to 12k a year, most of which will be 60mph highway driving. Think I'll be OK with 3k oil changes with just the strainer?

Thanks for the info, guys. I have the heat riser tube on the left, so looks like it will interfere with the filter pump. Gonna have to either leave it stock or get a full flow system with rubber hoses.

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chicagovw · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject:

VW recommended every 3,000 back in the old days. Oil technology has greatly improved since then. I am sure it will be fine with 3,000 mile intervals. I do mine every 3 to 5,000 with no issues so far.

Eric&Barb · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject:

DrDarby · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject:

If your stock muffler has the heat riser tube on the right side the pump will be fine. Many models used the tube on the right vs the left side. I just bought an NOS original German muffler here on the classified this week that has the tube on the right side. It was a 49 state 1974 muffler. I'll only need to put a pipe plug in the EGR port.
I've used mufflers with the tube on the left side but you must rebend the tube closer to the muffler and use a shorter oil filter.

With all that said although I agree a filter is a fine investment, VW's oil change intervals from way back when were already 3000 miles and I've routinely gotten 150,000 plus miles out of stock engines by simply changing the oil & cleaning the screen every 3000 miles and adjusting the valves every other oil change.
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a.wilson · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject:

webwalker · Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:50 am Post subject:

OK, so here's what we know:

Either the pump has to be modded to clear a LEFT heat riser tube on stock mufflers

OR

You use a stock muffler with a RIGHT heat riser tube and use any damn full flow filter-pump you want.

So can anyone recommend a STOCK style muffler manufacturer and model that has a RIGHT heat riser tube?

M
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cdydatzigs · Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:54 am Post subject:

webwalker · Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:55 am Post subject:

Hoooeee!

No bet.
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abranz · Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject:

Aitcooled .net sells the right OE german muffler which will not interfere with a filterpump. I have it on both of my beetles which have filterpumps.
Anthony


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