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snj
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| didnt ISP make some metal stuff to replace the plastic stuff? |
Yes, for mid-65 and later cars. Earlier cars (prior to #315170012) have different side guide channels. The center guides are the same for all T3s (and shared with T1s), though.
Good to know you've got a larger metal reinforcement bracket, supaninja. I've got one from a Bug on the way. I'll take some detailed pictures once I get it, and perhaps you can let me know if you spot any differences between the two. |
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ALLWAGONS
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| vdubjim wrote: |
| didnt ISP make some metal stuff to replace the plastic stuff? |
Yes, for mid-65 and later cars. Earlier cars (prior to #315170012) have different side guide channels. The center guides are the same for all T3s (and shared with T1s), though.
Good to know you've got a larger metal reinforcement bracket, supaninja. I've got one from a Bug on the way. I'll take some detailed pictures once I get it, and perhaps you can let me know if you spot any differences between the two. |
I'll be nosy and will chime in, when I installed my sunroof, I thought about and used the larger metal reinforcement, but it wouldn't sit right and the cranking gear would miss either one of the cables as I turned the crank to open and close the sunroof. That would cause the sunroof to pull more from one side. I dissassambled my sunroof about 4 times and I finally corrected that problem by using that small little tab. Now if you get it to work, that would be awesome. The small tab was used on earlier setups and the larger one on later ones. I will check both my spare parts and my parts books to see if there is really a difference.
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snj
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| I thought about and used the larger metal reinforcement, but it wouldn't sit right and the cranking gear would miss either one of the cables as I turned the crank to open and close the sunroof. That would cause the sunroof to pull more from one side. I dissassambled my sunroof about 4 times and I finally corrected that problem by using that small little tab. Now if you get it to work, that would be awesome. The small tab was used on earlier setups and the larger one on later ones. I will check both my spare parts and my parts books to see if there is really a difference. |
Damn. Just when I thought I had all the functionally necessary sunroof pieces...
Let me know what you find out. |
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supaninja
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ALLWAGONS
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For starters, look at at this early car's top center piece (unrestored car) no lip.
later cars have the lip
the inner guide is different on both top pieces, maybe that's what make the difference on the long metal plate or the small tab.
Difference on top center pieces
Difference on lower center pieces
Difference on cranks
Notice all these are different parts but they all have the same part number. BTW, all these parts are type 3 313 877 sunroof parts, no bug parts.
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supaninja
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ALLWAGONS
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Did you guys catch that this brochure is from Oct 1961 and this car has a sunroof? I see a number 15 on the driver side fender. Could this be chassis #0015.
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jakauffman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:46 am Post subject: Squareback sunroof |
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| Does anyone know if the Type III sunroof parts are interchangeable with bugs? I need new cables, sunroof guides(left, right, lower, upper) and cog gear. Any ideas? Shelling out $150 per cable sickens me. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Squareback sunroof |
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| Does anyone know if the Type III sunroof parts are interchangeable with bugs? I need new cables, sunroof guides(left, right, lower, upper) and cog gear. Any ideas? Shelling out $150 per cable sickens me. |
Cables are t-3 only. The rest of the parts interchange with a bug.
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ALLWAGONS
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Squareback sunroof |
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| Does anyone know if the Type III sunroof parts are interchangeable with bugs? I need new cables, sunroof guides(left, right, lower, upper) and cog gear. Any ideas? Shelling out $150 per cable sickens me. |
Type 3 Ghias are the E ticket rides
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And you must be. This tall to ride sunroof type 3's 
But on a more serious note, it is more expensive to correctly restore a type 3 than other vw's
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snj
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Squareback sunroof |
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| Does anyone know if the Type III sunroof parts are interchangeable with bugs? I need new cables, sunroof guides(left, right, lower, upper) and cog gear. |
Cables are t-3 only. The rest of the parts interchange with a bug. |
Unfortunately, that's not quite right. You can only use Bug guide pieces for the center of a T3. The T3 side guides are different, and there are multiple versions of them for T3s. |
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nos64notch
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Ok Type 3 gods, here's one for you. I have a 64 Notch which was missing the sunroof panel when I bought the car. The primed panel which I bought from ISP (full of rust under the seal and what I consider highway robbery) is supposed to be from an early sunroof Type 3. The problem I have now is the blueish colored panel I bought over the weekend is supposed to be from a 64 Notch. The thing that stumps me is the panels are the same size but constructed differently. 5 headliner clips on one and 6 on the other. Embossed under the height adjusters on one and not on the other. The back edge has a profile as well. Can you guys spot the differences? I am stumped on which panel I need and my Notch is getting painted soon.
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rustyfastback
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The top primered one looks like the one on my '66 squareback. I have 2 sunroof panels I can check out tomorrow. One is from a early '64 & one from a '65. Also have one from a '69 in storage. The non-primer one you have looks like it is painted nutria brown which was used in '64. I know who used to own that sunroof panel you bought. The previous owner was restoring a non-pushbutton nutria brown '64 sunroof notchback. I missed out on some NOS sunroof guides recently  Wish I had gone to the show. |
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nos64notch
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| The top primered one looks like the one on my '66 squareback. I have 2 sunroof panels I can check out tomorrow. One is from a early '64 & one from a '65. Also have one from a '69 in storage. The non-primer one you have looks like it is painted nutria brown which was used in '64. I know who used to own that sunroof panel you bought. The previous owner was restoring a non-pushbutton nutria brown '64 sunroof notchback. I missed out on some NOS sunroof guides recently Wish I had gone to the show. |
Thought you might chime in. I would really like to see the panels sometime. I would be interest in purchasing or trading some parts (sunroof guides).
Let me know. |
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rustyfastback
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| Ok I just checked both sunroof panels I have both have 5 headliner clips & both look like the primered one you have. One was a '64 & one from a '65. I do have a super early '64 (august '63) sunroof squareback sunroof I could look at but it is at a friends house 75 miles away. |
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nos64notch
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| Ok I just checked both sunroof panels I have both have 5 headliner clips & both look like the primered one you have. One was a '64 & one from a '65. I do have a super early '64 (august '63) sunroof squareback sunroof I could look at but it is at a friends house 75 miles away. |
Thanks Pete, I'll go with the primed one. Still makes me wonder about the other panel. It may be from Australia? I guess I could ask Mark. |
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rustyfastback
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| Also remember there is a panel that snaps on the underside, you will need that also. I can send some pics if you want. |
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nos64notch
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| Also remember there is a panel that snaps on the underside, you will need that also. I can send some pics if you want. |
I've got that for both the panels. |
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ALLWAGONS
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Ok Type 3 gods, here's one for you. I have a 64 Notch which was missing the sunroof panel when I bought the car. The primed panel which I bought from ISP (full of rust under the seal and what I consider highway robbery) is supposed to be from an early sunroof Type 3. The problem I have now is the blueish colored panel I bought over the weekend is supposed to be from a 64 Notch. The thing that stumps me is the panels are the same size but constructed differently. 5 headliner clips on one and 6 on the other. Embossed under the height adjusters on one and not on the other. The back edge has a profile as well. Can you guys spot the differences? I am stumped on which panel I need and my Notch is getting painted soon.
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The top one (light blue) looks just like the one on my '65 sunroof Variant. the primered one you have, may be an early early lid as the construction looks very crude. Also note, that the early one has no pegs on the forward facing corners.
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I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
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Evilgtiguy
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It gets Better,
I pulled my NOS notchback sunroof rail with a 313 part number and it is exactly the same as the late squareback one with a 363 number, they also have differnt suffix letters.
NOS notchback
Off a '72 squareback
same size and position of screw holes. In other words, the same part with different numbers.
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Interesting read. The letter at the end of the part number indicates a revision. For example front brakes on a mk4 Golf might have 1K0 615 301 from the factory but VW might come up with a change in the part or where it was made and the part will supersede to 1K0 615 301 A or it could be a fitment for a different model like a Golf wagon. Just my 2-cents. This could explain the differences in the part in question. I see this all the time at work. Also 1KM could be Golf whereas 561 601 301 A would be for a Passat much like the first three numbers differ in these two parts. |
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