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djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2179 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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To each their own, I guess. Many different routes to take.
Personally I totally dislike narrowed beams, small radial tires, widened deep dish rear wheels and slammed stance. Most all look broken to me and compromised in ride quality. Not hating on all of those you guys, just saying. I am on the other side.
4.50 Firestone and 6.50 Goodrich on 3.50-16 Barndoor bus wheels. dropped spindles. about 3/4 click in the rear. Rides perfectly smooth with added tall highway gearing with factory 4.375 and 1200.
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The 1969 Beetle Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2022 Posts: 12 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Man this has to be the longest thread on this website! so helpful to have though |
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panicman Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2011 Posts: 2290 Location: Canby, OR
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Thanks Deathray! _________________ Plate of shrimp |
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DeathRay64 Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2019 Posts: 217 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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I think you will be fine with stock wheels and that drop.
However you probably don't want to do the spindle swap yourself. I did it, but it was quite an undertaking. You need a shop press and a reamer tool and will have to re-bush the link pin carrier. So new pins and bushings.
I added disc brakes which makes the front end 5/8" wider and I hope I still have room, but 2.5" isn't really slammed. _________________ Making VW's and America great again. |
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panicman Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2011 Posts: 2290 Location: Canby, OR
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Hey everybody,
I have a completely stock 1960, sitting stock height on 165 15's. Stock smoothies.
I have been out of the game!
Can I install 2.5 lowered spindles and be ok with the 165's?
If it will work, do I need to buy any other hardware to do the job? _________________ Plate of shrimp |
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brolli21 Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2023 Posts: 1 Location: Obdam - NL
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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I've been looking through this topic since i've bought my '63, looking for some more info on what wheels and sizes i could fit.
After some wrenching i came up with this:
Front:
2,5" Dropped spindles
6" Narrowed adjustable beam (Volksprojects(Dutch)
Monroe Airshocks with 6mm airlines
6,5 x 15" Speedline 3 piece with 145/65r15 Nankang
Rear:
Lowered Adjustable Spring plates
Lowered 1 outer spline
5x130 '67-> Drums modified to fit short axles
9 x 15" Speedline 3 piece with 205/55r15 Nankang
A tiny bit of modeling the edge of the arches to prevent rubbing
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slayer61 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2021 Posts: 1018 Location: CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Looks badass but something's gotta give. I say re-index torsions until you are happy with clearance & drive it! _________________
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3/4 race cam? What's missing, one of the lobes? |
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'68 Manx clone... Sears??
2276 built on AS21 case
W-125 w/ GB 1.25:1 rockers
Mahle forged pistons
CB 4340 crank
CB H beam rods
deep sump
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EMPI GTV 2 STG II wedge ports
CB Magna spark
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Ecesp004 Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2022 Posts: 1 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Hello, Really need some help. Installed 205/65/15 tires on my 15x8 smoothies. I fender literally sit on the tire so they wont work. I was running 195/55/15 but wanted a beefier looking tire and get closer to the 25 inch overall size for the gearing. What do you guys recommend as far as tire size? Fronts are 135/15
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navyfam2 Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2022 Posts: 4 Location: Chattanooga, TN, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:28 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Sharp64 wrote: |
It’s advice, donas you want, but I would sincerely consider sending the rears back and getting one of the sizes I mentioned. An 11% difference on the rear is significant. And on the asthetic side, will look kinda goofy. Good luck either way. |
called tire shop, they were able to swap the rears out with 205/60R15.
thanks for the advice... I try and take it when given... but I'm quite impatient at times |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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navyfam2 wrote: |
Sharp64 wrote: |
Sorry you didn’t get as fast of a reply on this as needed. For some reason the wheel and tire forum seems to get overlooked a lot. The front tires will work ok but you could have gone a little wider and been ok. I’m not a huge fan of 144’s as I think they are too thin. For the rears you really may want to reconsider. While the width is “ok” you probably would be happier with the overall look of a 205/60/15 or even a 65 series. The 175/55R15 is going to be on the small side. You’re changing the circumference by about 11% which is significant on the rear of the car. For the front it doesn’t matter other than for clearance but on the rear it can affect engine rpm due to gearing. Here is a site that is good for comparing tire sizes.
https://tire-calc.com/comparison/165-80-r15-and-175-55-r15/ |
I figured my haste would create waste, lol.... they won't be the only set of tires i buy for it, so we will see how it turns out. |
It’s advice, donas you want, but I would sincerely consider sending the rears back and getting one of the sizes I mentioned. An 11% difference on the rear is significant. And on the asthetic side, will look kinda goofy. Good luck either way. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
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navyfam2 Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2022 Posts: 4 Location: Chattanooga, TN, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:36 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Sharp64 wrote: |
Sorry you didn’t get as fast of a reply on this as needed. For some reason the wheel and tire forum seems to get overlooked a lot. The front tires will work ok but you could have gone a little wider and been ok. I’m not a huge fan of 144’s as I think they are too thin. For the rears you really may want to reconsider. While the width is “ok” you probably would be happier with the overall look of a 205/60/15 or even a 65 series. The 175/55R15 is going to be on the small side. You’re changing the circumference by about 11% which is significant on the rear of the car. For the front it doesn’t matter other than for clearance but on the rear it can affect engine rpm due to gearing. Here is a site that is good for comparing tire sizes.
https://tire-calc.com/comparison/165-80-r15-and-175-55-r15/ |
I figured my haste would create waste, lol.... they won't be the only set of tires i buy for it, so we will see how it turns out. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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navyfam2 wrote: |
navyfam2 wrote: |
Assistance Needed.... |
Disregard, my impatience took over... ordered Continental Eco Contact 145/65R15 for front and 175/55R15 for the rear |
Sorry you didn’t get as fast of a reply on this as needed. For some reason the wheel and tire forum seems to get overlooked a lot. The front tires will work ok but you could have gone a little wider and been ok. I’m not a huge fan of 144’s as I think they are too thin. For the rears you really may want to reconsider. While the width is “ok” you probably would be happier with the overall look of a 205/60/15 or even a 65 series. The 175/55R15 is going to be on the small side. You’re changing the circumference by about 11% which is significant on the rear of the car. For the front it doesn’t matter other than for clearance but on the rear it can affect engine rpm due to gearing. Here is a site that is good for comparing tire sizes.
https://tire-calc.com/comparison/165-80-r15-and-175-55-r15/ _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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navyfam2 Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2022 Posts: 4 Location: Chattanooga, TN, USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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navyfam2 wrote: |
Assistance Needed.... |
Disregard, my impatience took over... ordered Continental Eco Contact 145/65R15 for front and 175/55R15 for the rear |
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navyfam2 Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2022 Posts: 4 Location: Chattanooga, TN, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Assistance Needed....
Currently have a '67 Sunroof Bug with stock errythang...
I just submitted an order with SOA Speed Shop for a 4" narrowed ball joint beam with narrowed tie rod and new ends.
Next to be ordered is the EMPI Wide Five Front Disc Brake Conversion with 2.5" Drop Spindles.
I also intend to put Klassik Rader Falcons (15x5.5) at all 4 corners.
I've looking for a tasteful drop of about 3-4 inches overall (need to be able to navigate speed bumps etc).
What size tires do you all recommend with the intended set up described above?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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Wily Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2022 Posts: 80 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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clay showalter wrote: |
Can anyone help? I really want to get my new wheels and tires on my bug |
195 is a wide tire for the front, that wouldt look good
i would take 165 max, even 145 is possible...
195 will touch the inner fenders...
I just bought spindels and some 5.5 rims.
The tires i gonne buy are:
front: 145/65
rear:165/80 |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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drop spindles + added width of wider tires: you may run into rubbing issues with the tires. Drop spindles move the wheel out about 3/8" per side. Those wheels will stick out about 1/2-3/4" more than stock also. So you're roughly an inch wider per side than stock.
I know people that've done fine with drop spindles and stock wheels, but with wider wheels and wider tires I think you're getting close _________________ modok wrote:
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clay showalter Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Can anyone help? I really want to get my new wheels and tires on my bug |
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clay showalter Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2022 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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Ok I have read all through and love the look of many of the cars. Here is my bone stock, except for the JC Whitney hubcaps. This is survivor that I think has only been painted, just 39,000 miles, no mods, no dents, nothing. I am only looking to do 2.5” drop spindles maybe one notch in the rear and run Empi GT-5 wheels 15x5.5 with 4” backspacing. Can I run 195/65 all the way around or will I have rubbing issues. If so what size would I need to run up front?
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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type4split wrote: |
I noticed that. Wtf. How would this have ever worked? I almost thought it was raised for a minute….. well, 1/2 raised
Is it possible they had the dimples 90 degrees out ?
****edit******. Figured it out, Put it together like it should. Found the center location. All 👍🏻 good |
Did the center anchor have 2 sides threaded for set screws? I could see a setup with one short set screw to hold the bars, then turn the center 90 degrees install the long one (with a flat bottom) to hold the center anchor in place on the beam. This would cause the adjuster to be turned 90 degrees so it is not going to get ripped off if you go too low. _________________
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lowN2slo Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2008 Posts: 50 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Pictures of tire, wheel, and suspension thread for FAQ's |
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bw65vw wrote: |
lowN2slo wrote: |
Front
CB Drop spindles
4 Inch narrowed beam
15 inch Empi 5.5 wide
155's
Rear
Drop plates
185's |
I like this look! What drop plates did you use? |
Hi, Limebug drop plates - 2inch, Thanks! |
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