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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Retro Fitting Pop Out Rear Windows Reply with quote

I love my 67 except for one problem - no rear pop-out windows. Driving in the city is like riding in an oven. Even when you get going, the airflow is minimal with the original stationary windows in place.

Is there anyway to install popout windows using the original glass and old (if I can find them) pop out style window frames? I'd like to retain the original glass - everything else on the bug is original and I don't want to mess with it by putting in new glass and new window frames. Gaskets and seals would need to be new, but not much else - at least that is my uneducated assessment.

Can anybody tell me:
1. Is it possible to retro fit pop out windows?
2. Is there any way to use the original rear window glass in the pop-outs?
3. Would doing this lower the value of the car because it would no longer be "original?"
4. Can anybody give me a good reason why I should NOT do this?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the classifieds for 65' and up Pop outs or eBay. They are easy to find and not very difficult to install. As for the "originality" of the car, these were offerred by VW. Personally, I have run them on every car I have owned, and I have always loved 'em. Just my $.02.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also 67' should include the holes in the in the body in the window frame and near the window frame towards the rear of the car for the pop out hinges.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a 67 has the holes already... so it would be a bolt in ordeal.

IF anything I think it would make it worth a tiny bit more
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pop out glass is not the same as fixed glass, different size.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm planning on doing the same thing with my '62, Does anyone know a link to a nice exploded diagram so I can get a list of all the needed parts? Do you think the '62 type 1 has the holes present?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On that 67, the glass also has the hole in it for the rear latch. On the low window cars, the latch mounted on the pop out frame.

hd74cid, Your 62 has the low windows. These are difficult to find used and are very expensive. Everything is on the body as far as mounting holes, you just need the windows, hinges, latchs and welting for the pinch weld.

There are low windows available used, but you are going to pay a lot for them. And they almost always need work, like the rubber needs to be changed. While the rubbers are easy to get, they are a complete BITCH to try to install. The frame needs to come off of the glass and you will need to build special fixtures to hold things back together.

Unless you can find a perfect set of used with all the hardware and latches, you are probably better off going with a new set from Mid America.
http://www.mamotorworks.com/acvw.html?frame=2.7123

I recently got a set of these and I'm very pleased. It saved me a lot of hassles trying to fix old used ones and in the long run it was probably cheaper!

You tall window guys can get them used easily and if you spend more then $100 to do the job, you didn't look around enough!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hd74cid wrote:
Does anyone know a link to a nice exploded diagram so I can get a list of all the needed parts?

http://wolfsburgwest.com/wolfsburg_new/chrome_moldings/bug.cfm
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did indeed get a used set of glass and yes, it was at a premium price. It has the latches attached. I think all I need is the pinch welting and the hinge assemblies. The rubber on the outside of the glass frame needs to be replaced. Do you think this will be a problem?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out page 17 of the 57 resto section
http://www.thebugshop.org/goresto.htm

After seeing this, I was glad I dug deep and bought new ones.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other than having to repaint around the window where the old seal was at, it took 15 minutes to install my Pop-outs in my 67. Tho it took FOREVER to put those seals in the damn things!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tall window rubbers are lots easier then the short window rubbers.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drscope wrote:
hd74cid, Your 62 has the low windows. These are difficult to find used and are very expensive. Everything is on the body as far as mounting holes, you just need the windows, hinges, latchs and welting for the pinch weld.


My 62 is slowly being put back together. I currently have no interior in it, and have no pre-drilled holes for pop-outs. I think the pre-drilled holes must have started later than 62. Or maybe it's one of those mid-year changes.

Related Question:
I do have a set of popouts waiting to be put in. When I go to install them, what should I use as far as mounting the latches to the body. Just regular old self tapping screws? or is there a better/more preferred way.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluxcap wrote:
Related Question:
I do have a set of popouts waiting to be put in. When I go to install them, what should I use as far as mounting the latches to the body. Just regular old self tapping screws? or is there a better/more preferred way.

Oval head sheet metal screws are used there.

Like in this picture:

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All the hardware is shown here:

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More pictures here, if you're interested:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v134/sdcvw/popouts/
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott, thanks for the pic. Now I know what to look for!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 63 had provision on the body for the pop outs, and I helped a buddy put them in his 62 a few years ago. It also had the same provision. I have a 57 sitting in the backyard that has stationary windows, but it also has provision for pop outs.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same "problem" with my '67, but I bought 2 sets of rear pop-out windows, and the installation kits from WW. The whole installation was easy. The hardest part was finding the holes for the rear locking latches. In the end, I just closed the window tight, makred the location of the 3 screw holes on interior liner, and then punched the holes.
Windows now look great and help keep the car cooler. I love them. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the info. I have a set of pop outs for my 1960 beetle, from VW of Brazil. Last night i sat down and looked at the new outer rubbers and thought it looked like a s**t of a job. I was right by the sounds of things! It is great that info gets posted here which is so helpful.

Hopefully the link on page 17 http://www.thebugshop.org/goresto.htm will help!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys, I got a deal on some popouts for my 62 today. Does anyone know if my new reg. glass can be used to replace the old scuffed popout glass. I think it was said they wouldn't on the later model, but wasn't sure about 62. Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the inner rubber (between the glass and the window frame) is what is a disaster to replace. it is also usually in fine condition. the outer rubber is usually hard and cracked. it is really no big deal to replace. a pair from wolfsburg west is 14 dollars.

i just changed mine yesterday. take the old rubber out of the channel. get comfortable on a nice bench under a shade tree on a nice warm day. start the rubber in near the glued-together section, on a straight section of the frame. spray windex on a few inches of the rubber, and work it in with a round ended pop-sicle stick. keep spraying a few inches and rolling it in with the stick. you will figure out the method quickly!

i removed the old rubbers, polished the frames and latches with simichrome polish, installed the new seals, and cleaned them back up in a total of about an hour and a half. and i didn't really even know what i was doing!

one tip! it kinda stretches as you go, and as you near the end, it seems like the rubber is too long. just work it back down the channel away from the excess. in hind-sight, it would have been easier to keep it worked back as i went, because it gets a little hard to slide around the curves.

good luck with them!

oh, the glass is different for the popout and the fixed glass, (and you really don't want to try to put the frame on the glass anyway! THAT is what is a brutal job, evidently!)
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