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1961bluebug Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2002 Posts: 1137 Location: Czech Republic, Europe
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: Decklid stand-off for the bottom |
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Does anybody of you Thing owners drive with decklid popped open at the bottom? My friend made me a neat 2 stage stand-off for the latch, so I´m able to close it fully or leave it opened for 2 inches, but I´m still thinking if it helps to lower the engine temps or not..
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1961 Deluxe beetle, 1971 type 181, 1968 T2a Baywindow, 1973 Type 147 "Swiss Fridolin"(sold), 1966 Deluxe sedan (sold), 1983 "Silver Bug" edition (sold), 1961 beetle (sold) |
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kuebelwagen84 Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2007 Posts: 144 Location: Edison, NJ
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Decklid stand-off for the bottom |
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1961bluebug wrote: |
Does anybody of you Thing owners drive with decklid popped open at the bottom? My friend made me a neat 2 stage stand-off for the latch, so I´m able to close it fully or leave it opened for 2 inches, but I´m still thinking if it helps to lower the engine temps or not..
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My decklid doesn't have the clip for the latch to connect to so it flops open on every bump so in a way I do drive around with the decklid opened a little...
I haven't really noticed any major engine temp differences, but that being said it's never open for a large period of time as yours could be _________________ // '73 Thing "Jeep Zerstörer" currently being restored / kustomized
// '07 Rabbit taking over daily driver duties
1600s of air-cooled German muscle!
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1961bluebug Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: |
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the clip for the latch is a small piece of tin bolted with two philips screws, very easy to obtain used/make one. The noise from floppiy decklid would bother me a bit:-) _________________
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kuebelwagen84 Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2007 Posts: 144 Location: Edison, NJ
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: |
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1961bluebug wrote: |
the clip for the latch is a small piece of tin bolted with two philips screws, very easy to obtain used/make one. The noise from floppiy decklid would bother me a bit:-) |
it does bother me, a lot I between my tools bouncing around in the hood and that in the rear my 181 is pretty noisy but I was planning on fabricating one eventually
unfortunately on my long list of stuff to fix/improve, that's pretty far at the bottom _________________ // '73 Thing "Jeep Zerstörer" currently being restored / kustomized
// '07 Rabbit taking over daily driver duties
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FreakCitySF Samba Member
Joined: June 08, 2004 Posts: 642 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Can you post a pic of the set up? |
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1961bluebug Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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edit, reason follows _________________
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1961 Deluxe beetle, 1971 type 181, 1968 T2a Baywindow, 1973 Type 147 "Swiss Fridolin"(sold), 1966 Deluxe sedan (sold), 1983 "Silver Bug" edition (sold), 1961 beetle (sold)
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Ian Epperson Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2005 Posts: 2262 Location: Alameda, CA
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid stand-off for the bottom |
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kuebelwagen84 wrote: |
I haven't really noticed any major engine temp differences |
I used to run with a Gene Berg temp stick. On hot days, if I propped open the deck lid, I could run longer on the freeway before the temp stick tripped. On the worst days, I could only run 15 minutes or so on the freeway before tripping the temp stick, then propping open the deck lid (with a 2"x2" block of wood held in place with a bungee) I could run 30-45 minutes before tripping it.
I had louvers cut in the deck lid, and that gave me my 30-45 minutes with the lid closed.
I probably had an overtemp problem with that engine anyway - but I can say for certain that 2" of open lid helps with cooling. |
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kuebelwagen84 Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2007 Posts: 144 Location: Edison, NJ
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Decklid stand-off for the bottom |
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Ian Epperson wrote: |
I had louvers cut in the deck lid, and that gave me my 30-45 minutes with the lid closed.
I probably had an overtemp problem with that engine anyway - but I can say for certain that 2" of open lid helps with cooling. |
Wow, I'm surprised it made that big of a difference. Thanks for passing that info along Ian, I guess since I haven't really done any freeway driving in the Thing I wouldn't have noticed
That louver idea is a good one, maybe I'll follow suit _________________ // '73 Thing "Jeep Zerstörer" currently being restored / kustomized
// '07 Rabbit taking over daily driver duties
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1961bluebug Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for sharing info! _________________
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FreakCitySF Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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That is awesome, you are a genius.
I love hacks of all kinds.
You should make a few and sell em! Maybe a bulk order if the Thing shop likes em?
If you have a chance can you take a pic of just the piece? Maybe someone on here can make a template or blueprints.
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1961bluebug Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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No, I´m not. The design and idea of the standoff goes to my friend John from VeeForce in Sydney, Australia. I´ll inform him about the possibility and since he works with CNC metal cutters for living, he´ll maybe offer a batch of the standoffs here on Thesamba. Anyway I got a beetle style standoff from him and I had to modify it a bit since the shape of the handle catch is angled differently on a Thing.
Thanks for understanding. Jan _________________
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c.davis419 Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2003 Posts: 506 Location: Vista,CA
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I know that on my '60 ragtop, popping the bottom of my decklid shaves 10 degrees off my engine temp on road trips. _________________ 1967 beetle
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed
Joined: April 15, 2005 Posts: 4622 Location: SE CR IA US NA PE
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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My Thing's deck lid had a rectangle cut out behind the license plate when I bought it. We shouldn't *need* to hack our Things to keep them running cool, but in this case, I probably won't "restore away" the hole.
_________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
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npconnor Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2007 Posts: 194 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Towel Rail wrote: |
My Thing's deck lid had a rectangle cut out behind the license plate when I bought it. We shouldn't *need* to hack our Things to keep them running cool, but in this case, I probably won't "restore away" the hole.
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That's really actually kind of cool. _________________ '73 Thing
Austin Air-coolers Gang |
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74 Thing Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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I am with Ian-I have owned mine for 15 years and it is my only car and daily driver. By propping the engine lid on the bottom some 2" it definately aids in cooling. I think if you go over on shoptalkforums and look in the 181 forums and search for more air into the engine compartment you will see a long thread of info regarding this. I would like to see what the inside looks loke where the modified part is. I am lazy and just use a cut tennis ball on my latch-then I can just remove it and lock the engine compartmen if I want to. |
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cb john Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Hi everyone,
1961 bluebug has informed me that there might be an interest in the standoff bracket for 181. I would consider to make a batch if you are seriously interested..
John |
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74 Thing Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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I would be interested. Can you post some pics or email them to me? Thanks. |
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FreakCitySF Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
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I'll take 2
pics and approx price
thanks
chris |
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cb john Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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So far three pieces...that would make it too bloody expensive.Batch of 20 pieces can make the price more friendly. |
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kubelmann Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: |
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I have a number of engine deck lids with holes cut in them already that are available. One has holse cut behind the licence plate area the other has small holes drilled in the rear surface. Both could be used for a heat reduction test without damaging your original engine deck lid. |
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