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68Bugged Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 10 Location: West Hurley, NY
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: Wheel Adapter? |
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Does anyone know where I can get a set of wheel adapters that go from the 68 Beetle 4 lug to 5 x 114.3 |
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Skim Rants Master
Joined: April 15, 2001 Posts: 17081 Location: GFK 31 Year Vet
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Skim Rants Master
Joined: April 15, 2001 Posts: 17081 Location: GFK 31 Year Vet
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Or you could redrill the 4 lug drums to that pattern. _________________ GFK
Samba since before the towers collapsed. Still here.
1953 Kabriolet
1954 Sunroof
1959 Lowlight Ghia vert
1960 Lt Grey Double Cab SMZ LEGIT
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic
Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 4030 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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drilling would be better
you could press in studs
and it wont offset the wheels
from the adapters
any Pics of Pressed in studs??
anyone?? _________________ 74 Mexi Swamp Thing. 70 square volksrod (Swamp Rat)..65 C10
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Skim wrote: |
Or you could redrill the 4 lug drums to that pattern. |
That pattern (5x114.3) cannot be drilled onto a VW 4 bolt drum. One of the new stud locations overlaps one of the existing holes.
The best solution is to buy blanks. I have seen blank rotors but not blank drums. Search. _________________
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic
Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 4030 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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if you can wouldnt the use of an existing hole a Good idea
or are the others offset wrong
drill the threads out and Press in Studs
thats what i would look into
look at my posts and look for a link to cip1s Rear drum Blank i think thats it _________________ 74 Mexi Swamp Thing. 70 square volksrod (Swamp Rat)..65 C10
Me of Course wrote: |
Extremity is relative to how far your willing to jump |
Ward Cleaver wrote: |
You ever try a pink golf ball, Wally? Why, the wind shear alone on a pink golf ball can take the head off a 90-pound midget at over 300 yards |
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chickengeorge Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2004 Posts: 5634 Location: Spokompton Warshington
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: |
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I bought disc brakes with blank rotors for my 70. I had the rotors drilled to 5x4.5 for $200.00.
It ended up being a nice set up. |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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sharkskinman wrote: |
if you can wouldnt the use of an existing hole a Good idea |
That only works when you want to drill the drum to Porsche 5x130.
If you wanted to drill them to late VW 5x100, none of the holes interfere. _________________
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Skim Rants Master
Joined: April 15, 2001 Posts: 17081 Location: GFK 31 Year Vet
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
Skim wrote: |
Or you could redrill the 4 lug drums to that pattern. |
That pattern (5x114.3) cannot be drilled onto a VW 4 bolt drum. One of the new stud locations overlaps one of the existing holes.
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True. Im trying to figure out in my head what that lug pattern is from. _________________ GFK
Samba since before the towers collapsed. Still here.
1953 Kabriolet
1954 Sunroof
1959 Lowlight Ghia vert
1960 Lt Grey Double Cab SMZ LEGIT
1963 Deluxe Turkis Walk Thru 15 Window OG Paint |
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Soul Samba Member
Joined: May 05, 2004 Posts: 168 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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That Pattern is Mazda, Toyota, and some Nissan if your working on the metric system. Or just your standard Ford, Jeep/Dodge bolt pattern.
I've got a set of American Racing Fuch in the above metioned pattern. I didn't want to convert to rear disc but it looks as if that's the only choice. Blank drums are a PITA to find. Back in the day Jaytech use to carry them. |
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Skim Rants Master
Joined: April 15, 2001 Posts: 17081 Location: GFK 31 Year Vet
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Soul wrote: |
That Pattern is Mazda, Toyota, and some Nissan if your working on the metric system. Or just your standard Ford, Jeep/Dodge bolt pattern.
I've got a set of American Racing Fuch in the above metioned pattern. I didn't want to convert to rear disc but it looks as if that's the only choice. Blank drums are a PITA to find. Back in the day Jaytech use to carry them. |
Aw man that brings back memories. They used to have the link pin drop spindles with ball joint snout so you could run porsche pattern redrilled late model drums and ghia b/j disc brakes on a linkpin beam. _________________ GFK
Samba since before the towers collapsed. Still here.
1953 Kabriolet
1954 Sunroof
1959 Lowlight Ghia vert
1960 Lt Grey Double Cab SMZ LEGIT
1963 Deluxe Turkis Walk Thru 15 Window OG Paint |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Soul wrote: |
That Pattern is Mazda, Toyota, and some Nissan if your working on the metric system. Or just your standard Ford, Jeep/Dodge bolt pattern. |
5x114.3 is really 5 on 4½". It is NOT for any Toyota, Mazda, or Nissan, it is from one of the American 3. _________________
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic
Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 4030 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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ford mustang
chrysler cars
its a very common bolt pattern
but wanting to redrill 4x130 to 4x114 OR 4x100
so couldnt i use atleast one of the holes
prob going to get blanks and drill for BOTH the 100 and the 114
take 8 lugs per tire
ha
???just dont like the look of the open holes _________________ 74 Mexi Swamp Thing. 70 square volksrod (Swamp Rat)..65 C10
Me of Course wrote: |
Extremity is relative to how far your willing to jump |
Ward Cleaver wrote: |
You ever try a pink golf ball, Wally? Why, the wind shear alone on a pink golf ball can take the head off a 90-pound midget at over 300 yards |
PS4 "NKOGNEATO" |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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sharkskinman wrote: |
but wanting to redrill 4x130 to 4x114 OR 4x100
so couldnt i use atleast one of the holes
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There is only one 4 bolt pattern you can overlay onto a 4x130 drum and still use at least one hole. That pattern is 4x130.
If you want to use 4x100 or any other 4 bolt pattern, drill it in between the existing 4x130 pattern. _________________
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Soul Samba Member
Joined: May 05, 2004 Posts: 168 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
Soul wrote: |
That Pattern is Mazda, Toyota, and some Nissan if your working on the metric system. Or just your standard Ford, Jeep/Dodge bolt pattern. |
5x114.3 is really 5 on 4½". It is NOT for any Toyota, Mazda, or Nissan, it is from one of the American 3. |
So your saying 5x114.3 isn't found on any import, or just the ones I mentioned? |
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rotorbugg Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2007 Posts: 125 Location: Socal
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:21 am Post subject: |
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Soul wrote: |
Bruce wrote: |
Soul wrote: |
That Pattern is Mazda, Toyota, and some Nissan if your working on the metric system. Or just your standard Ford, Jeep/Dodge bolt pattern. |
5x114.3 is really 5 on 4½". It is NOT for any Toyota, Mazda, or Nissan, it is from one of the American 3. |
So your saying 5x114.3 isn't found on any import, or just the ones I mentioned? |
Most of the imports use a 5x115 pattern and there IS a difference. Not enough to keep you from bolting on a set... Most cars that used 5x114.3 and 5x115s use hubs to center the wheel, but different sizes. A/C VW drums don't use a hub to center the wheel (rotors must have the vw hubs machined off) so you are relying on the lugs to center the wheel. It is advised to use the correct pattern in this case to avoid balance/vibration issues. The difference is an average of 14 thousandths per lug, which IMO is a lot.
I just got a set of 17x7s for my 68 in 5x4.5, and that appears to not have been the best move. I had not read the post above, that you can not redrill 4 lug drums to it, and all of the shops I called have templates for Porsche patterns and maybe Chevy. I'm going to try Moser; they seem to be my last hope. If anyone else knows who can drill 4x4.5 please throw me a frickin bone!
I haven't given up on my stock drums yet... Perhaps I could cut a VW lug to the thickness of the drum face, thread it in and weld it up. Maybe I could beef up the area in between the original bosses too. Eventually I'll go discs all around, but I'd rather not spend much to get these wheels on in the mean time.
Here is a pic of the wheels on reefreshd_jive's 63. (not mine) |
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rotorbugg Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2007 Posts: 125 Location: Socal
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: |
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sharkskinman wrote: |
drilling would be better
you could press in studs
and it wont offset the wheels
from the adapters
any Pics of Pressed in studs??
anyone?? |
I hear that the back side of the drum face (inside) is not flat and therefore makes press in studs not so good. |
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic
Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 4030 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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so the 5x114 or so pattern IsNot easy to drill into drums,
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that the Press in Studs might Not be a good idea on rear drums
but it is easy to redrill a 4 lug pattern into them correct? _________________ 74 Mexi Swamp Thing. 70 square volksrod (Swamp Rat)..65 C10
Me of Course wrote: |
Extremity is relative to how far your willing to jump |
Ward Cleaver wrote: |
You ever try a pink golf ball, Wally? Why, the wind shear alone on a pink golf ball can take the head off a 90-pound midget at over 300 yards |
PS4 "NKOGNEATO" |
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rotorbugg Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2007 Posts: 125 Location: Socal
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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The best move is to drill a 4x100 pattern right under the existing 4x130 holes (not in between them) so that you are drilling into the original bosses. (the thick part) 4x100 wheels are easy to come by too. |
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sharkskinman Lateral Lunatic
Joined: April 26, 2006 Posts: 4030 Location: Deep In My Own Psyche
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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sweet wheels on the bug
thinking something like this
dont know if they will look Just like that,
but to scale those gotta be like 19" or 20"s _________________ 74 Mexi Swamp Thing. 70 square volksrod (Swamp Rat)..65 C10
Me of Course wrote: |
Extremity is relative to how far your willing to jump |
Ward Cleaver wrote: |
You ever try a pink golf ball, Wally? Why, the wind shear alone on a pink golf ball can take the head off a 90-pound midget at over 300 yards |
PS4 "NKOGNEATO" |
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