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Fonz
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 Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: Bosch headlight info |
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Ok I'm trying to find out details of Bosch headlights. I've seen a few different lenses rings now and can't seem to find info about it all in a search on here.
I've seen the rings with the screws at 9 and 12, both with and without the Bosch script at the top. Did this get dropped at a certain year?
As for the lens, I've seen the script at the bottom and also with the Bosch logo about an inch higher nearer the oval in the centre. Both with the VW at top. Are these late/early, real/fake? What's the deal with the NL and the A in the circles at the sides?
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HeSa
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To start with the German language PR says Bosch headlights were introduced on 24 Mar 1950 for Types 11a and 15.
The Austrian and NetherLands approval signs do not belong to pre 53 headlights to my undestanding. |
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Fonz
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These are the two lens styles I refer to....
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HeSa
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From 1952 Bosch Catalog:
Volkswagen Typ 11a, 11c, 11g and 15a
Headlight LE/YE 180/2
Lense LEFE 28 L 2x
Reflector LERF 14 L 1 Z
Chrome ring LEDE 15 L 1 Z
The picture shows a lipped lense without VW logo, at 1800 a Bosch logo and under it "Bosch" old script. |
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Fonz
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No VW logo on the lens???
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| You need the top Lens in your picture with VW at the top. The bottom lens in late. |
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HeSa
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| No VW logo on the lens??? |
Yes it appreas that the early lipped Bosch lenses do not have a VW logo on the top. The same light (same part number) was used with Pre A. Lipped Hella lenses have the VW logo at 18.00 hrs and correct rings for these lenses have hella logos also at 1800 hrs. A pair of these headlights was sold in the weekend in German eboy for 656 Eur = bit short 1000 USD. Very used condition IMO.
The less markings in the lenses the better for pre 53 cars. Some googleing results that A and NL approval markings (Austria and Netherlands) were still used in the 80s. They were replaced at some stage with E1 standard covering whole Europe.
Just don´t be fooled with IKA or FER lenses produced in communist USSR satellite East Germany for IFA (the socialist version of Auto-Union / DKW). They are lipped and have no other markings than a triangular logo at 18.00 hrs.
Unfortunatly these and other communist stuff like DDR park meters, Isolator spark plug holders, PAL (CZ) fog lights, flower vases etc many times appear in the classifieds. Burn them on a bond fire if you find some of it in your VW. |
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| HeSa wrote: |
| Yes it appreas that the early lipped Bosch lenses do not have a VW logo on the top. The same light (same part number) was used with Pre A. Lipped Hella lenses have the VW logo at 18.00 hrs and correct rings for these lenses have hella logos also at 1800 hrs. A pair of these headlights was sold in the weekend in German eboy for 656 Eur = bit short 1000 USD. Very used condition IMO. |
Here's an early "lipped" Bosch headlight WITH the VW logo on the top.
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| What does the "Lipped" reference pertain to ? |
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buggen
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| empiracer wrote: |
| What does the "Lipped" reference pertain to ? |
It’s the line below the eye brow at the top of the lens. |
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| What does the "Lipped" reference pertain to ? |
It’s the line below the eye brow at the top of the lens. |
Still not clear. |
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| empiracer wrote: |
| What does the "Lipped" reference pertain to ? |
It’s the line below the eye brow at the top of the lens. |
Still not clear. |
See the liene just below the VW logo? It's called an "eyebrow" by some, but it's a characteristic trait of very early headlight lenses. It's actually a raised edge.
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Ok I got it.
Thanks. |
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Old thread but here goes.
I have 2 Bosch italic script with no VW logo's, no lip, 9 and 12 o'clock adjusters, 2 rivets.
Also, "bosch" engraved at 12 o'clock position on both, but one of the "bosch" is bigger than the other (chrome ring 12 o'clock).
Also, the one with the bigger bosch on the chrome ring has the 5 "drilled" drain holes, where the other light has the 3 pressed drain holes.
Can we identify these?
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Old thread but here goes.
I have 2 Bosch italic script with no VW logo's, no lip, 9 and 12 o'clock adjusters, 2 rivets.
Also, "bosch" engraved at 12 o'clock position on both, but one of the "bosch" is bigger than the other (chrome ring 12 o'clock).
Also, the one with the bigger bosch on the chrome ring has the 5 "drilled" drain holes, where the other light has the 3 pressed drain holes.
Can we identify these?
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Do you have pictures?
I am looking for a round Bosch trim ring with Bosch stamped on the top. Size must be 214 wide. (just a little bid bigger than the round trim rings that were used for Karmann Ghia.s
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Old thread but here goes.
I have 2 Bosch italic script with no VW logo's, no lip, 9 and 12 o'clock adjusters, 2 rivets.
Also, "bosch" engraved at 12 o'clock position on both, but one of the "bosch" is bigger than the other (chrome ring 12 o'clock).
Also, the one with the bigger bosch on the chrome ring has the 5 "drilled" drain holes, where the other light has the 3 pressed drain holes.
Can we identify these?
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Volkswagen and Porsche 1949- 1952:
Ring with large Bosch Script at 12 o´clock,2 rivets
Lenses with with a large VW Sign at 12 o´clock(17mm) and Script at the Bottom like in rareair`s Picture
Buckets with 5 Drainholes,black
Volkswagen and Porsche 1952-~1960:
Ring with small Bosch Script at 12 o´clock,2 rivets
Lenses with with a smaller VW Sign at 12 o´clock and many different Scripts at the Bottom
Buckets with 3 pressed Drainholes,black or silver
Volkswagen pre 1949 with Eyebrow Lenses like Hella Version
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Old thread but here goes.
I have 2 Bosch italic script with no VW logo's, no lip, 9 and 12 o'clock adjusters, 2 rivets.
Also, "bosch" engraved at 12 o'clock position on both, but one of the "bosch" is bigger than the other (chrome ring 12 o'clock).
Also, the one with the bigger bosch on the chrome ring has the 5 "drilled" drain holes, where the other light has the 3 pressed drain holes.
Can we identify these?
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Both for 356,one very early Version with large Bosch Logo and 5 Drainholes
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747frieghtdog
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| 747frieghtdog wrote: |
Old thread but here goes.
I have 2 Bosch italic script with no VW logo's, no lip, 9 and 12 o'clock adjusters, 2 rivets.
Also, "bosch" engraved at 12 o'clock position on both, but one of the "bosch" is bigger than the other (chrome ring 12 o'clock).
Also, the one with the bigger bosch on the chrome ring has the 5 "drilled" drain holes, where the other light has the 3 pressed drain holes.
Can we identify these?
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Both for 356,one very early Version with large Bosch Logo and 5 Drainholes |
Thank you very much.
How early is one light? I guess it could be from 48, the first production of the 356?
I was going to run them on my oval window.
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The reflectors have date codes (month 1-12, followed by a letter) stamped on the backside, separate from the part number info.
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OK.
The one with the 5 drain holes says "12K 45"
The other one is obscured, but the letter is "O", and the number appears to be a 73.
Thanks.
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