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Ccino Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: Type I engine in a Type III |
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Im 17 and i want my first car to be a Type III. My buddy has a couple Type I engines for me if need be. Is the type I engine compatible with
the Type III? He said it can be done but i just want to make sure... Thx |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 857 Location: lincoln
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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you can do it. it may over heat because there is no air going to it. |
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Ccino Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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thats all? maybe that problem could be fixed with a luvered hatch or something that raises the hatch alil |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 857 Location: lincoln
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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that what i would do. |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Its a bad idea to put a T1 in a T3. As stated it wont get air right. You would have to re-egineer the coolng. Hold out for a T3 motor. Or get the T1 motor-sell it then get a T3 motor. You will be happier in the long run. _________________
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Air_Cooled_Nut Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2004 Posts: 3040 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Or get the proper T3-specific parts (cooling tin, fan housing, etc.), strip the T1 engine, and put the T3 parts on it. Except for the oil filler, the engines are pretty much the same in the long block sense (or is that short block?...I get the two mixed up).
What model of T3 do you have? _________________ Toby http://www.aircoolednut.com/
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22448 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Air_Cooled_Nut wrote: |
Or get the proper T3-specific parts (cooling tin, fan housing, etc.), strip the T1 engine, and put the T3 parts on it. Except for the oil filler, the engines are pretty much the same in the long block sense (or is that short block?...I get the two mixed up).
What model of T3 do you have? |
Long block=with P&Cand heads
Short block=with out those
And this is a good idea as well for a baller on a budget _________________
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73notch Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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FAQ
Q. Can I put a Type 1 (upright) motor in my Type 3?
A. Yes, it fits as the Type 1 and Type 3 motors are basically the same. However, your cooling will be seriously affected. The Type 1 engine is designed for a sealed engine compartment while the Type 3 is not. For best results and long engine life, you would have to completely seal off the engine compartment with custom tin, as well as provide a way for fresh air to enter. That work, combined with the increased noise and loss of the rear trunk area, make using a Type 1 engine a poor idea.
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JSMskater Samba Grease Gorilla
Joined: February 01, 2006 Posts: 5362 Location: Murrieta California
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: |
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get a t1 engine from your friend. strip it down to the long block, and sell off the carb, gen or alt, fan shroud, tin, all that jazz. keep the fuel pump and distributor. you can even sell off the crank pulley.
then with the money you made, buy a used set of t3 tins and the fan and fan shroud. paint them yourself. with the money you saved take the long block and get the holes made in the case for mounting the rear hanger mustache(if its a late model) and then re-assemble the motor using the t3 parts. look for a complete FI system or a stock set of 32pdsit carbs. you can use weber 34's, but they dont work as well IMO.
DO NOT USE the t1 motor as is. its not a good idea. _________________ 71 Squareback-FI -- 73 Bay (subaru powered)
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COFBack Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: |
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JSMskater wrote: |
get a t1 engine from your friend. strip it down to the long block, and sell off the carb, gen or alt, fan shroud, tin, all that jazz. keep the fuel pump and distributor. you can even sell off the crank pulley.
then with the money you made, buy a used set of t3 tins and the fan and fan shroud. paint them yourself. with the money you saved take the long block and get the holes made in the case for mounting the rear hanger mustache(if its a late model) and then re-assemble the motor using the t3 parts. look for a complete FI system or a stock set of 32pdsit carbs. you can use weber 34's, but they dont work as well IMO.
DO NOT USE the t1 motor as is. its not a good idea. |
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SquareTone Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: |
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I say go for it.
The quicker we get all of the surplus T1 engines burned up the quicker we can quit getting this question. _________________ Tony
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Air-Cooled Head Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: |
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This question comes up frequently enough that there should be a sticky,
similar to this one for the Late Model/Super forum. _________________ Everything known to man has been written.
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Air-Cooled Head wrote: |
This question comes up frequently enough that there should be a sticky,
similar to this one for the Late Model/Super forum. |
There is, but the schools don't teach reading as a required subject anymore. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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COFBack Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Pretty obvious the OP didn't bother to read the FAQs _________________
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Air-Cooled Head Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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COFBack wrote: |
Ev
Pretty obvious the OP didn't bother to read the FAQs |
Read Haven't ya heard? "The best place to hide something is in a book."
The problem with what's already there is, it recommends against the idea, then gives the reasons why.
But that's like logically explaining to a 4 year old why he shouldn't drink anti-freeze, when all he understands is it looks and smells drinkable.
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Chory Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2006 Posts: 1318 Location: Jefferson Westside, Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Type I engine in a Type III |
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Ccino wrote: |
Im 17 and i want my first car to be a Type III. My buddy has a couple Type I engines for me if need be. Is the type I engine compatible with the Type III? He said it can be done but i just want to make sure... Thx |
Better idea allaround. Get a T3 with an engine already in it.
Car first. Engine is of little concern without a vehicle.
You will quickly find in the world of the Type 3, that T1 guys are the very WORST source of advice. _________________ Be kind…
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Euro 67 Samba's 67 part whord
Joined: February 24, 2007 Posts: 1370 Location: Between Florida and Cali
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Type I engine in a Type III |
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Chory wrote: |
Ccino wrote: |
Im 17 and i want my first car to be a Type III. My buddy has a couple Type I engines for me if need be. Is the type I engine compatible with the Type III? He said it can be done but i just want to make sure... Thx |
Better idea allaround. Get a T3 with an engine already in it.
Car first. Engine is of little concern without a vehicle.
You will quickly find in the world of the Type 3, that T1 guys are the very WORST source of advice. |
Hey that's not true for some of us.
I'm running a typ1 motor in my fasty. It has been converted to a type3 cooling, not hard. but the thing is, I can't run a vac adv.(not that I would)
because a type 3 dist drive gear is in a different position than the type 1.
and for the oil, put an early model oil fill, the cap does come off of them.
then find a long long long, type 1 dipstick.
this coming from the Type 1 guy _________________ 68 Bug totaled one day will live again
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I'm no expert but I'm guessing the spike during cold running has everything to do with the roofing tar(20-50) in the crankcase. |
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...i could be wrong as i have only been driving air cooled beetles since august 1965. |
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Chory Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2006 Posts: 1318 Location: Jefferson Westside, Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Type I engine in a Type III |
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Project_67 wrote: |
Hey that's not true for some of us. |
Okay let me clarify:
Chory wrote: |
Better idea allaround. Get a T3 with an engine already in it.
Car first. Engine is of little concern without a vehicle.
You will quickly find in the world of the Type 3, that T1 guys (with the exception of about four of them in the whole world) are the very WORST source of advice (unless, of course, they are T1 guys who also rock T3s). |
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