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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:48 pm    Post subject: Type I engine in a Type III Reply with quote

Im 17 and i want my first car to be a Type III. My buddy has a couple Type I engines for me if need be. Is the type I engine compatible with
the Type III? He said it can be done but i just want to make sure... Thx
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can do it. it may over heat because there is no air going to it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats all? maybe that problem could be fixed with a luvered hatch or something that raises the hatch alil
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that what i would do.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a bad idea to put a T1 in a T3. As stated it wont get air right. You would have to re-egineer the coolng. Hold out for a T3 motor. Or get the T1 motor-sell it then get a T3 motor. You will be happier in the long run. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or get the proper T3-specific parts (cooling tin, fan housing, etc.), strip the T1 engine, and put the T3 parts on it. Except for the oil filler, the engines are pretty much the same in the long block sense (or is that short block?...I get the two mixed up).

What model of T3 do you have?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or get the proper T3-specific parts (cooling tin, fan housing, etc.), strip the T1 engine, and put the T3 parts on it. Except for the oil filler, the engines are pretty much the same in the long block sense (or is that short block?...I get the two mixed up).

What model of T3 do you have?



Long block=with P&Cand heads
Short block=with out those

And this is a good idea as well for a baller on a budget Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FAQ

Q. Can I put a Type 1 (upright) motor in my Type 3?
A. Yes, it fits as the Type 1 and Type 3 motors are basically the same. However, your cooling will be seriously affected. The Type 1 engine is designed for a sealed engine compartment while the Type 3 is not. For best results and long engine life, you would have to completely seal off the engine compartment with custom tin, as well as provide a way for fresh air to enter. That work, combined with the increased noise and loss of the rear trunk area, make using a Type 1 engine a poor idea.

save up and do it the correct way.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

get a t1 engine from your friend. strip it down to the long block, and sell off the carb, gen or alt, fan shroud, tin, all that jazz. keep the fuel pump and distributor. you can even sell off the crank pulley.

then with the money you made, buy a used set of t3 tins and the fan and fan shroud. paint them yourself. with the money you saved take the long block and get the holes made in the case for mounting the rear hanger mustache(if its a late model) and then re-assemble the motor using the t3 parts. look for a complete FI system or a stock set of 32pdsit carbs. you can use weber 34's, but they dont work as well IMO.

DO NOT USE the t1 motor as is. its not a good idea.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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get a t1 engine from your friend. strip it down to the long block, and sell off the carb, gen or alt, fan shroud, tin, all that jazz. keep the fuel pump and distributor. you can even sell off the crank pulley.

then with the money you made, buy a used set of t3 tins and the fan and fan shroud. paint them yourself. with the money you saved take the long block and get the holes made in the case for mounting the rear hanger mustache(if its a late model) and then re-assemble the motor using the t3 parts. look for a complete FI system or a stock set of 32pdsit carbs. you can use weber 34's, but they dont work as well IMO.

DO NOT USE the t1 motor as is. its not a good idea.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say go for it.

The quicker we get all of the surplus T1 engines burned up the quicker we can quit getting this question.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This question comes up frequently enough that there should be a sticky,
similar to this one for the Late Model/Super forum.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Air-Cooled Head wrote:
This question comes up frequently enough that there should be a sticky,
similar to this one for the Late Model/Super forum.


There is, but the schools don't teach reading as a required subject anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread has been added to the FAQ at the top of the Type 3 section.

If there is anything else that should be added at any time, just PM me with a link.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty obvious the OP didn't bother to read the FAQs
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty obvious the OP didn't bother to read the FAQs


Read Question Exclamation Haven't ya heard? "The best place to hide something is in a book." Smile

The problem with what's already there is, it recommends against the idea, then gives the reasons why.

But that's like logically explaining to a 4 year old why he shouldn't drink anti-freeze, when all he understands is it looks and smells drinkable.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Type I engine in a Type III Reply with quote

Ccino wrote:
Im 17 and i want my first car to be a Type III. My buddy has a couple Type I engines for me if need be. Is the type I engine compatible with the Type III? He said it can be done but i just want to make sure... Thx


Better idea allaround. Get a T3 with an engine already in it.
Car first. Engine is of little concern without a vehicle.
You will quickly find in the world of the Type 3, that T1 guys are the very WORST source of advice.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Type I engine in a Type III Reply with quote

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Ccino wrote:
Im 17 and i want my first car to be a Type III. My buddy has a couple Type I engines for me if need be. Is the type I engine compatible with the Type III? He said it can be done but i just want to make sure... Thx


Better idea allaround. Get a T3 with an engine already in it.
Car first. Engine is of little concern without a vehicle.
You will quickly find in the world of the Type 3, that T1 guys are the very WORST source of advice.


Hey that's not true for some of us.

I'm running a typ1 motor in my fasty. It has been converted to a type3 cooling, not hard. but the thing is, I can't run a vac adv.(not that I would)
because a type 3 dist drive gear is in a different position than the type 1.

and for the oil, put an early model oil fill, the cap does come off of them.
then find a long long long, type 1 dipstick.

this coming from the Type 1 guy Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Type I engine in a Type III Reply with quote

Project_67 wrote:
Hey that's not true for some of us.


Okay let me clarify:

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Better idea allaround. Get a T3 with an engine already in it.
Car first. Engine is of little concern without a vehicle.
You will quickly find in the world of the Type 3, that T1 guys (with the exception of about four of them in the whole world) are the very WORST source of advice (unless, of course, they are T1 guys who also rock T3s).

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Type I engine in a Type III Reply with quote

Project_67 wrote:
but the thing is, I can't run a vac adv.(not that I would)
because a type 3 dist drive gear is in a different position than the type 1.

You do know that's really easy to get around, right? If you wanted to, that is. Wink

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