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DSF Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2004 Posts: 605
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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VWporscheGT3 wrote: |
i dont own a porsche though i would love to, instead i own a volkswagen.... and im sure you know this but to clarify , the GT3 is watercooled.... your comment is verging on retarded
-Trevor
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I get it-- you said:
"Aircooled motors have many advantages over watercooled... too bad you "Dont quite get it" "
And I thought it was funny, because your favorite car is a water cooled Porsche of all things, lol. You know... flat... water cooled... like a flat 4 or flat 6 Subie. "Get it" now?
Though I will not deny verging on retarded. You may have me there |
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daSCHISSnit Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2003 Posts: 334 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Geez, Let the guy do his swap. It's his car and he can do what ever he wants. This thread is starting to sound like the rants. I have the utmost respect for Jake Raby, but if everyone could afford one of his motors then everyone would have one (top quality costs top dollar) and people would have no need to do a swap, they'd just buy a MassIVe Motor.
Cohibra45 - I'm jealous. I would love to have that motor.
Post some damn pics of the swap already! |
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VWporscheGT3 Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2006 Posts: 2073 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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my point DSF ... is that its a porsche motor and not some blasphemy to the holy stuttgart company ... to put a subie motor in a Porsche is like putting a chevy motor in a ford.... its just "Wrong" . The use of just the word RACIST is a mis qoute and your an ass for doing so... everyone has a favorite brand or two and well im highly loyal to the Porsche and Volkswagen names which makes me "brand racist".
My original complaint was with the fact that it wasnt aircooled with the underlying complaint of that it wasnt a genuine porsche/VW motor of which the 914 motor originates.a VW block with different Porsche heads for better flow and combustion and better balanced internals. the fact that you pick and chose what you try to make a mockery of only proves to me that you are a moron.
if i was 14 i would have added a gross amount of profane language to my replies as we've all seen on the samba before. I guess the only thing you grasp is your own ego. Grow up bud.
-Trevor
69 Fastback _________________ Schnell, SCHNELL!
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DMNCLNR Sir Camp'alot
Joined: November 12, 2003 Posts: 2897 Location: Newport Beach Ca
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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I actually like the idea, pleanty more power, with a lot more reliability. Also their is not that big of a weight difference, I would almost think that the WRX motor would weigh a little less, including the radiator! This swap is fairly simple, and I think if you did it right you would be pleased! _________________ To his their own PBJ
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DSF Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2004 Posts: 605
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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DMNCLNR wrote: |
I think if you did it right you would be pleased! |
It's all gonna come down to that right there, all right. Super success or super disaster! |
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VWXTC4FREE Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2004 Posts: 277
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Cannot seem to find heads for a reasonable price =/
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Besides have you seen the price of new heads for a suby, no thanks. |
Like I said some have to learn the hard way. |
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James D Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2007 Posts: 230 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Leaving aside any arguements about the rights and wrongs of fitting a Subaru motor to your 914, I just want to add that trying to modify your car like this is never going to be some kind of cheap or quick miracle fix. Rebuilding the car to orignal condition will always be easier, probably be cheaper, definitely be quicker to do and probably more reliable too. |
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vwblue1967 Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2005 Posts: 187 Location: r-town
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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ive seen a few suby 914s around and i think they are cool...i want one..the targa top, the handling. and the wrx power it would make a super car-im lookin for one now the ej20 engines are super cheap with lots of reliable power.....i love the whole air coold thing its all ive ever had- but it fo sho wouldnt bother me to swap one out...if i could afford to build or buy a nice type IV i would- |
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( o\_/o ) Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2008 Posts: 177 Location: San Antonio, Texas
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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enikolayev wrote: |
What exactly do you mean by "charachter"? The car not starting in the morning when its frosty? or about having to think 5 min ahead before passing on the highway?
Maybe i should go back to the horse and buggy, now that has character! and speaking of horse and buggy, what happens when your horse dies? do you leave the corpse (porsche) and try to revive it? or do you replace it with a new stallion (wrx)?
Perhaps you have never heard of the World Rally Championship... where the Subaru does especially well!
also, if you think so highly of the porsche motor, i will sell you mine! (its either that or the scrap yard) |
will u quite calling it a PORSCHE ENIGNE its a type 4 vw not a porsche
the onyl porsche part on a 914 is the brakes and the body really. other then that is all vw |
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Bleyseng Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2005 Posts: 4752 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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too bad most 914 parts don't fit any other VW's...yep, some of the parts were sourced from the VW parts bins but most came thru the VW parts manufacturing lines to keep costs down...and the 914 was assembled at a Karmann plant.
VW did sell out its shares of the VW/Porsche partnership to Porsche in 1974 so 914's did become all Porsche. _________________ 70 Ghia Black convert-9/69 build date-stock w/133k 1600 SP-barn find now with a rebuilt tranny and engine
77 Westy 2.0L w/Ljet, Camper Special engine-95hp and with LSD!(sold)
76 Porsche 914 2.1L L20c, 120hp Djet (sold)
87 Syncro Westy Titan Red 2.1L 2 knob 100k miles |
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70 140 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2002 Posts: 8471 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: |
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The car would still be aircooled, even with the Subaru engine.
Any news on this swap? Any photos? |
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rayjay Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2008 Posts: 1501 Location: Buford GA
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Building a flat 4 or 6 makes sense if you are going to use air cooling. If you are going to use liquid cooling it makes NO sense. I find it hard to get excited about some company if their engineering is so flawed. If you want to do a swap I think there are better motors out there. Some of the 60 degree V6's would make a cool swap.
My wife had a Fiero Formula with the 2.8 and it was a torquey motor that had plenty of power for the Fiero. Since the 914 would be a lot lighter the power to weight ratio would be even better. There are also OHC versions available. KEP has the adaptors. |
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VWporscheGT3 Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2006 Posts: 2073 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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or hell if you want a rediculous motor sticking up out of the cowlings try a vw VR6.... youll be top heavy like the toyota mr2, and Pontiac fiero and still have no power..lol . at this point if all you had to do was fabricate the brackets for mounting... build a stout little 2276cc type 1 or even smaller if you dont care about so much power.... full flow it , deep sump it and keep it tuned and you'd be good to go.... but thats just as expensive as many other swaps... im sure your whole point is about it being drivable without having to fudge with it...
-Trevor
69 Type 3 Fastback _________________ Schnell, SCHNELL!
I like being wrong, Because, it is another opportunity to learn. If you stop learning from your mistakes than what is the point?
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James D Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2007 Posts: 230 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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I think i´m right in saying that anything with a large modified or homebuilt content is generally going to be less reliable than something that a large company like Porsche has spent millions developing.
Just rebuild it stock if reliability is what you want. |
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70 140 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2002 Posts: 8471 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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James D wrote: |
I think i´m right in saying that anything with a large modified or homebuilt content is generally going to be less reliable than something that a large company like Porsche has spent millions developing.
Just rebuild it stock if reliability is what you want. |
a large company called Fuji Heavy Industries has spent millions developing the Subaru engine... |
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roknrol Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2008 Posts: 2 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: Subaru swap |
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Let's all admit that Subaru has a great turbo engine package. When you see Toyota increasing their stake in Fuji Heavy (aka Subaru) you know they must recognize this as well.
Toyota To Raise Fuji Heavy Stake To 17%, Bolster Tie-Up
1 April 2008
The Nikkei reports that Toyota Motor Corp. will boost its stake in Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), the maker of Subaru vehicles, from 8.7% to around 17% by purchasing 64.25 million shares for roughly ¥30 billion (US$294 million). |
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70 140 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2002 Posts: 8471 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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They are prone to head gasket problems, but otherwise, I would agree they are a great engine |
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James D Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2007 Posts: 230 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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70 140 wrote: |
James D wrote: |
I think i´m right in saying that anything with a large modified or homebuilt content is generally going to be less reliable than something that a large company like Porsche has spent millions developing.
Just rebuild it stock if reliability is what you want. |
a large company called Fuji Heavy Industries has spent millions developing the Subaru engine... |
You´re missing the point.
I´m sure its a fine engine, its just that Fuji never spent a cent to make it fit in an old Porsche.
The motor is not the problem. Its the inevitable high content of homemade bits that will cause trouble, rattle loose, break and come apart. |
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roknrol Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2008 Posts: 2 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: Subaru swap |
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The combination of a lightweight 914 chassis, Porsche suspension/ brakes/wheels and Subaru turbo engine are a match made in heaven.
I'm an old school Porsche / VW guy, but we must face the facts here:
VW discontinued development of the air-cooled boxer 4 with the type IV.
That, my friends, was in the mid 1970's.
Today, you need 4 valves/ cylinder and water cooling to attain acceptable levels of power, emission contol and noise mitigation. This is in fact what you get with the Porsche Boxter and Porsche 996 and 997.
If the subaru engine had a VW logo on it no one in the world would dispute if it is legit to put in a 914. |
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James D Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2007 Posts: 230 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:26 am Post subject: Re: Subaru swap |
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roknrol wrote: |
Today, you need 4 valves/ cylinder and water cooling to attain acceptable levels of power, emission contol and noise mitigation. |
My Bug has 30hp, and I find the levels of power, emission contol and noise mitigation perfectly acceptable!
roknrol wrote: |
If the subaru engine had a VW logo on it no one in the world would dispute if it is legit to put in a 914. |
Yes - "If".
Look - the guy is a student and seems to be looking for a cheap miracle cure for a blown engine. My feeling is that fitting a Subaru motor isn´t it. I´m sure it could be a great conversion - just probably not if you try and do it on the cheap. I can see it costing way more than rebuilding it stock. |
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