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gerico
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Location: Carlsbad, CA
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I've had quite a few PM requests for additional information on this engine build. So for anyone who wants to duplicate all or part, there are no secrets, there's really nothing special. Here's everything:
2276 VW Engine PARTS LIST
- Forged 82mm Crank from DRD Racing; std VW Journals
- 5.4” CB Performance I-Beam Rods w/ 3/8” arp bolts VW Journals
- 94mm Cima/Mahle Forged Stroker Pistons (with Total Seal oil Rings)
- Race balanced by Jason @ VW paradise
- Teflon piston buttons
- Engle 120 Cam (0.397 lift @ the cam, 294° on 108/106 lobe centers)
- 1.25 Ratio Forged Rockers on solid shafts
- SLR Lifters
- Chromoly Push Rods (Manton cut to length)
- flywheel & clutch balanced by VW Paradise
Heads are CB 044 Performance hand ported set up by DRD Racing Heads to L5
a. Intakes match ported to heads
b. 40mm x 35mm Valves
c. Dual Hi-Rev Valve Springs adjusted for 0.500” lift
d. Combustion Chamber 56cc’s
Case is an AS41 VW Dual Port Case (std bearings)
a. Machine work done by Jason @VW Paradise
b. Clearanced for stroker crank
c. Chromoly 10mm head studs with case savers
c. Full Flow w/ 30mm oil pump and chassis mounted external oil filter
d. Deck Height Set at 0.080” (Approx. 9.2:1 Compression Ratio)
e. Oversized Chromoly Gland Nut and Washer
Doghouse oil cooler system with welded/balanced fan
Thermostat controlled auxiliary oil cooler with electric cooling fan
Claude’s Buggies low profile extended oil sump
Mallory Unilite vacuum/centrifugal advance distributor
40 Dual Dellorto Carbs w/ 34mm venturies
Kush-Loc Clutch Disk
Kennedy Stage 1 Pressure Plate
Lightened, forged 12V Flywheel
Engine was assembled by me with advice/help from Jason & Darren and broken in and dynoed by Darren @ DRD. The only 2 things I would do different would be to 1) possibly go with chevy rod journals `cause they are stronger & less expensive than VW and 2) use a larger chamber to reduce the deck height `cause everyone says a smaller deck is better.
Trans is "street pro" by Kevin at KCR.
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Thanks to:
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gerg
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Joined: April 25, 2003
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Location: Monroe, LA
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I was about 10 Hp down from you and about 15lbs of torque higher.
42 X 37 Tims 2 heads, 44IDFs with 34mm vents, Webcam 218.
Nice work!
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Actually, I was about the same Hp at 5500RPM, and 160Tq at 3500RPM.
I did not pull to 6k but the HP was climbing steadily.
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gerico
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Location: Carlsbad, CA
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Greg,
I considered the web 218. Didn't do it because I figured I should bush the lifter bores with the higher lift 218 but could get away without for the E-120. I would gladly give up 10hp for an additional 15 lb torque for a street engine. I'm assuming that you have a pretty flat torque curve??? If/when I need to freshen up the engine I might go with the 218. What ratio rockers did you use?
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vwairheads
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| gerg wrote: |
I was about 10 Hp down from you and about 15lbs of torque higher.
42 X 37 Tims 2 heads, 44IDFs with 34mm vents, Webcam 218.
Nice work!
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Actually, I was about the same Hp at 5500RPM, and 160Tq at 3500RPM.
I did not pull to 6k but the HP was climbing steadily. |
what is the CR  |
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gerg
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Joined: April 25, 2003
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Location: Monroe, LA
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1.25 rockers, 8.3 CR.
I want to go back and plot the numbers on a chart like you have, although I have only the 500RPM increments to go with.
The 218 has about .017" more lift than the 120. I was able to get .517" in the valve train setup.
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bdkw1
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| gerico wrote: |
| use a larger chamber to reduce the deck height `cause everyone says a smaller deck is better. |
Nice build, I'm getting ready to do almost the exact same thing only 2180.
Tighter deck, yes. Larger chamber on the head, no. Dish in the piston the same shape as the CC, yes. |
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77charger
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would like that motor in my sand rail.Would be nice to cruise around then have enough go with a tap of the throttle.
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jbreddawg
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Location: Raleigh NC
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Thanks for the list !!
I'm doing one very simular. Just a couple of things differently but not much. I was planning on 1.1 rockers unless I need to step up. Also, what would be a good CR to run ? Nick is doing the full balance and bottom end for me . So, I know it will be done right. Any advice ?
Oh, and the heads were marked 58cc
This is my list:
AS21 case with all stroker machine work and full flow
DRD 82 mm Forged Crank
Kennedy Stage 1 PP and Dakin clutch
94 p&s set
CB 044 heads 42x37 dual springs with nice port/polish
engle 120 cam
Scat H-Beam rods vw journal 5.5 with new arp 2000 bolts
Scat solid rocker shafts /stock 1.1 rockers
Original Valve covers powdercoated and an6 bungs welded in
Chromoly pushrods
SS pushrod tubes New but empi "didnt know till I received them
New old stock german lifters ! Thanks samba !!
Scat steel on steel straight cut cam gears
CB pulley " berg equalizer clone"
1 1/2 quart sump
Berg 26mm oil pump ,berg cast iron cover
Berg linkage
Dual 44 webers , completely rebuilt with manifolds
36 vents
200 airs
55 idles
150 mains
CB oil breather/filler
010 distributor
Brazil short shroud with Fuel injected ring added.
Filter king fuel filter/regulator
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perrib
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| You will like it. |
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Bad bug
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to jump in here. What if you had put in a k8 cam with 1.4 : 1 ratio rocker arm and 9.5 : 1 compression ratio, 1 5/8 exhaust header. Darren please respond have you ever done this. |
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DRD RACING HEADS
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The k8 cam would probally make a tad more torque. 1 5/8 header would work fine also. It depends alot on the head being used.
I have been using alot of the fk4X series cams lately on some of the 2.2 liter engines, and seeing a boat load of power with some the engle profiles. The old w 120 is a hard to beat, is builds alot cylinder pressure, and makes alot of torque.
We just built a engine for a local customer, much along the lines of Gerry's engine, with dual ida's and a fk44. The guy swung by my shop today, and said, the engines make so much power it hard to keep the tires hooked up , even in 3rd gear.
The dyno will tell you what kind of torque the engine is making, when you can pull some strong dyno numbers, the car is going to get down and get with the program.
Gerry's engine, is a strong street engine, and I am sure a blast to drive.
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jbreddawg
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Hey Darren , we recieved all the parts from you today. Thanks !! Can you look at my above list and give me a "real rough ball park " figures ? I have the bigger valves and 44's. The port job looks real nice "another more experianced samba member not me "
And would you go with 1.25's ? and what would be a good CR ? thanks again for the great parts you offer ! Jerry
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DRD RACING HEADS
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Run the 1.25 for sure. You will have very strong engine, and it will be fun to drive. Most vw heads that have a good port and seat combo, will be happy lifting around .500 to .550.
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Carter_72bus
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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I know this is an older thread, but what would be your opinion of running a very similar engine in a bus? heating issues wise how have you gone? the torque curve is really attractive...would limit the reving to say 5 or 6 grand.. as its pretty much just the torque i'd worry about not hi rev hp. With a decent external oil cooler there shouldn't be too many issues??
What do you reckon?
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Bill271
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After driving Gerrys car all i can say is that you will DEFINITLY have fun with this combo  |
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gwhiz101
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| You said you were expecting 30mpg, any word on what you are actually getting with it? |
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youngnstudly
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The 2276 I just installed is damn near the same combo as Gerico's engine and it has no trouble keeping up with anything I encounter (or breaking the tires loose in 3rd at 45 MPH  ). My engine has 42x37 valved heads ("Medium D ports"), .070" deck, 62cc chambers (around 8.7 compression), 48mm IDF Webers on tall (Big Beef) manifolds w/ 40mm vents, and 1-5/8" merged exhaust with my home-converted heater boxes and a 2-1/2" Dynomax Super Turbo muffler. Still tuning it and wishing it was quiet! Those Webers totally mask the muffler noise and make the car heard from blocks away  . It is fun to drive though!
Andy
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ALB
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Andy- I followed your build thread with great interest, but don't remember what you finally went with for a cam? Thanks. Al
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gerico
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I went with an Engle 120 with 1:25 lifters.. Works pretty good. That said, if I had it to do over again I would probably go with either a web 218 or an 86B with 1:4 lifters. Why? Well because this really is a street car and I think that either of these cams would give a bit more torque at low rpms.
BTY for mileage I get mid 20's around town. Not the 30 that I hoped for but still not to bad.
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youngnstudly
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| Andy- I followed your build thread with great interest, but don't remember what you finally went with for a cam? Thanks. Al |
Hey Al, I went with the Engle 120 and 1.25 rockers. It's cool to have the new engine and trans in (with all new rear suspension and brakes) but now I have to move onto bigger and better challenges....Like stitching the interior up and installing a custom pair of channeled factory seats with seat warmers under 70's diamond pleat inserts. It took me like 10 years to get my dream engine built and installed but hopefully I will work (much, much) faster on the upholstry! Of course I spent like 9 years saving to build that engine!  I still need to build the front end and install my 5 spokes too. Cars are never ending projects and I love them because of that! haha.
Too bad I am still tuning my car and the mileage is nowhere near mid 20's, even with an egg under the gas pedal. I have (jetting) issues still to work out. Low 20's on a good day so far.
Andy
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