Brake Bleeding

lbubbyj · Samba Member Joined: June 28, 2007 Posts: 72

I was having the same problems in that I could not get any sort of pedal. The key, which can't be overstated for someone that has not done this before, is to adjust the drums until they are locked up. After this was done I got a pedal right away.

bergfan · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:07 am Post subject:

Im still having trouble getting a hard pedal, everything is new and I have tried every known bleeding method, also when I back up and then apply the brakes the pedal almost goes to the floor but comes average after driving forward.

Jesse67 · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject:

Ok, I have a 67 bug and I installed a new dual circuit MS, new metal lines and hoses up front, and new wheel cyls all around. I messed up and bled the rear brakes first and they bled right away, but the fronts wouldn't bleed at all. I heard on the dual circuit you have to do the fronts first, so I disconnected the lines and let some air in. I then attempted to do the front brakes and it will not bleed air out into my cup of fluid. It may spit a few bubbles of air out, but then quits. I pumped the pedal in & out with the bleeder open, and it pushes bubbles into the line, but not out into the cup, and then sucks fluid back into the bleeder. WTF?? do I have a defect MS?

hemifalcon · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject:

Everyeone here will tell you that they've had different levels of success bleeding from front>rear or rear>front--everyone just has different experiences.. You just have to try and find out which way works best on your VW.. Mine worked from front to rear as my whole system was empty--then I did my final bleed from the right rear and worked up to my left front. Make sure your pushrod is at the right distance, you don't have any leaks around the top grommets on the M/C--and ensure that your lines are al ltight--ALL of them.. Then--continue... If your lines were emptied when you removed the lines and brake cylinders, it'll take you a while to get the whole system pressurized again--as Billy Crystal has been heard to say 'It's a process"..
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Jesse67 · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:53 am Post subject:

Well, I bought a brand new (not reman) MS from checker to replace the defective reman from Napa on my 67 bug. I bench bleed the MS before I hooked up the lines. I had the clear hoses on all three fittings into a cup of fluid and it bled out fine. I hooked up the lines, and bled all four wheels two different times, all finishing with only fluid coming out, no bubbles. But I still have NO pedal, it goes all the way to the floor! Could I have let air back in the MS when I bench bled it? would the air not bleed out through the lines???? Or do I have ANOTHER faulty MS? Alot of fluid comes out into the cup when I bleed it, alot more than the defective one I replaced.

AlteWagen · Troll Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8501 Location: PNW

i have the same problem, I recently lost pressure to the front brakes, replaced the offending soft line and attempted to bleed. No air in system but no front brakes. the MS is only 6 months old and only has about 2K miles on it. I tried the front bleed, then rear, then rear to front, then used a pressure bleeder (from wheel cyl to master) and show no air. Was the MC damaged when the line leaked all the fluid out? I drove the car only 6 miles with the bad brakes and fixed it the next morning, any clues on what it might be?

6Speed · Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject:

Well I just got done installing new wheel cylinders, brake lines, and shoes on my 64. I tried to bleed the brakes with my brothers help we were able to get it so no air was coming out but we only had about 1" of pedal off the floor. I know we didn't adjust the shoes all the way till the drum wouldn't turn, so I'm hoping that's the problem. I'm curious why this is so important? I hope this is my only problem!

I may build one of these: http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm

but I'm wondering how to make the cap work with a vw?
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my 63 will not hold a pedel i replaced the master cyc

i need to start checking the rod length
how do i check that do i have to pull the master cyc again
if so in inches ( iam old school) do i leave for end play
ill assume that the free play between the rod end and the cyc cup
that catches the rod

thanks in advance
once i get that done ill try adjusting the brakes out and bleed farest
wheel 1st and work towards the closers wheel
when i bleed them yesterday( son worked pedel) i had lots of air at 1st
then fluid ran great as i bleed
not when car sits for a minute pedel goes to floor
but when its hard, it stays away from floor and holds its position
IAM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK?

Eric&Barb

Eric&Barb · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject:

6Speed · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:59 am Post subject:

Someone recommended running a long tube from the wheel cylinder all the way back up to the reservoir and pumping pumping until all the air is out. Does this work pretty well?

I don't see why it wouldn't. I mean all the air would be spit back out into the atmosphere and the fluid would fall back down into the reservoir. Only problem I could foresee happening is if tiny bubbles form in the reservoir from all the fluid mixing around/being agitated.
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deejee · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject:

i reccomend this handy little helper... i tried and tried to bleed mine manually until i got nowhere and decided to give this thing a try.. it worked well for me and was way less frustrating..

also make sure all your line connections are tight or you'll get nowhere fast

http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=TZE0055&cartid=0302200959141842

Eric&Barb · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject:

6Speed · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject:

But it would be ok if you were working with a dry system? Like when you're putting in new fluid?
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Bruce · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:22 am Post subject:

Eric&Barb · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject:

63CabDriver · Samba Member Joined: November 10, 2006 Posts: 512

Now my problem with my 67. I have new mastercylinder, wheel cylinders, shoes, hardware, etc, etc. Ive tried bleeding the brakes, adjusting the brakes as explained in this topic. Nothing but fluid comes out of all four wheels cylinders, no leaks that I can find, and of course plenty of fluid in the resevoir. Here's the problem Im having, hopefully it's me doing something wrong or an easy fix.

I put the dub in the air so I could turn the wheels to see if the brakes are even working. When I spin any of the wheels, the first time I push on the brake pedal, the wheel will stop. While the pedal is still being compressed, I tried turning the wheel to see if the brakes are locking up and I can still turn the wheel and it feels like the brakes are almost dragging. If I pump the brake pedal one more time, the brakes work as they are suppose to. This happens on all four wheels.

BTW I have about an inch of pedal. Any suggestions?

Eric&Barb · Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:15 am Post subject:

If you mean the brake pedal only stops about 1" above the floor it sounds like you need to bleed the system again.
Does the pedal get higher the more it is pumped? Should only be slight increase in hight between first and second pump, after that no change.
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63CabDriver · Samba Member Joined: November 10, 2006 Posts: 512

Would I need to continue bleeding when there's nothing but fluid coming out of the wheel cylinders?

When I press on the brake pedal the first time, it seems to go alway the way to the firewall. It only builds up to about an inch, no matter how many times I pump it.

thetravman · Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:48 am Post subject:


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