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Quokka42 Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2010 Posts: 3117 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:38 am Post subject: |
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It would be interesting to know what that slick is? I admit my experience was with friction cones which I don't believe are used in VW LSDs, and I guess it really is a moot point now there are GL5 lubes which are compatible with transaxles - I just wondered if it was another way to know a lube is safe.
Guess not.
There are some great synthetics/semi-synthetics that work well with transaxles and it doesn't need to be changed often, so I'll stick with them. BTW, my favourite has a GL5, but also the MT rating. _________________ There has only ever been one man who was perfect, and they nailed Him to a cross. |
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gears Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2002 Posts: 4391 Location: Tamarack, Bend, Kailua
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:33 am Post subject: |
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I hate to sidetrack this thread .. but it isn't a layer of anything on those slick discs. The material itself was just a poor choice as a "friction" material. This is true of both the carbon and brass friction discs that I've seen, either of which are softer than the steel plain plates that they ride against. They have no "surface irregularities" to create required friction against the plain plates. While the brass ones just go slick, the carbon ones first go slick, and then continue to wear and blacken the lube. _________________ aka Pablo, Geary
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porschpow Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2005 Posts: 1256 Location: Hamilton, NJ / Flanders, NJ
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 4:50 am Post subject: |
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I was going to top off my 73 VW bus with the 1700cc motor and tranny with GL5.
I read this helpful thread and do agree that GL5 is safe for these tranny's
Where can you get GL5 oil though??? Autozone/Advance auto parts?
Worst case, could I just use 90w oil? _________________ -1973 Volkswagen Bus Westy (Weekender)
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udidwht Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2005 Posts: 3777 Location: Seattle, WA./ HB, Ca./ Shizuoka, Japan
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 4:59 am Post subject: |
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porschpow wrote: |
I was going to top off my 73 VW bus with the 1700cc motor and tranny with GL5.
I read this helpful thread and do agree that GL5 is safe for these tranny's
Where can you get GL5 oil though??? Autozone/Advance auto parts?
Worst case, could I just use 90w oil? |
Go with Amsoil 80w-90 and be done with it.
Best of all...it's completely safe & compatible when there is a call for either GL-5 or GL-4 application _________________ 1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
96mm Biral AA P/C's~7.8:1CR
Headflow Masters New AMC 42x36mm heads w/Porsche swivel adjusters
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Dual 40mm IDF Webers - LM-2 - 47.5 idles/125 mains/190 air corr./F11 tubes/28mm Vents - Float height 10.45mm/Drop 32mm
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porschpow Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2005 Posts: 1256 Location: Hamilton, NJ / Flanders, NJ
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I would, AMSOIL is good stuff, I need it by this Thursday.
I have never notied GL4-5 in stores _________________ -1973 Volkswagen Bus Westy (Weekender)
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Saw this photo of what EP additives can do to a brass gear and am wondering if the Steering Gear Boxes on the VW Busses have brass gears?
I was thinking of running RedLine GL-4 90w any reason it would not be a good choice for the steering gear or the transaxle for that matter?
The Effects of EP Additives on Gear Boxes.
_________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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porschpow Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2005 Posts: 1256 Location: Hamilton, NJ / Flanders, NJ
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Danwvw wrote: |
Saw this photo of what EP additives can do to a brass gear and am wondering if the Steering Gear Boxes on the VW Busses have brass gears?
I was thinking of running RedLine GL-4 90w any reason it would not be a good choice for the steering gear or the transaxle for that matter?
The Effects of EP Additives on Gear Boxes.
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Wow, so GL-5 did that? Is that a stock gear, or brand new oem? _________________ -1973 Volkswagen Bus Westy (Weekender)
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76761 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 4:09 am Post subject: |
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porschpow wrote: |
Danwvw wrote: |
Saw this photo of what EP additives can do to a brass gear and am wondering if the Steering Gear Boxes on the VW Busses have brass gears?
I was thinking of running RedLine GL-4 90w any reason it would not be a good choice for the steering gear or the transaxle for that matter?
The Effects of EP Additives on Gear Boxes.
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Wow, so GL-5 did that? Is that a stock gear, or brand new oem? |
While the picture is shocking, you have to read the article to see it's not a transmission but a "worm and worm wheel" combo... much like a steering box.
The article says "Certain extreme pressure (EP) additives can chemically react with these softer metals, causing premature wear and even failure."
"EP additives that contain sulfur cause the most damage to these types of metals."
Modern GL5 oil does not contain sulfur.
Posting that picture and implying this is a VW part is in the "FOX News" style of reporting _________________ Glenn
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gears Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2002 Posts: 4391 Location: Tamarack, Bend, Kailua
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 5:20 am Post subject: |
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This is a factory GT3 gear, raced on overheated GL4 oil. This is my own photo, not some internet grab.
_________________ aka Pablo, Geary
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
Posting that picture and implying this is a VW part is in the "FOX News" style of reporting |
Which makes complete fabrications, such as ever claiming there was a lube issue, MSNBC style reporting. _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76761 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: |
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miniman82 wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
Posting that picture and implying this is a VW part is in the "FOX News" style of reporting |
Which makes complete fabrications, such as ever claiming there was a lube issue, MSNBC style reporting. |
And this never ending topic is CNN style _________________ Glenn
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Quokka42 Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2010 Posts: 3117 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Dan's photo reminds me of some tests done years ago that demonstrated the danger of adding too much additives to your oils. I remember molybdenum disulphide was all the rage back then and I used a lot until I saw the results. It's not a bad thing in itself, nor is sulphur or many other EP additives, but when they are present in excessive quantities the results can be disastrous. One of the tests was on a gear similar to the dub's distributor drive gear and with the recommended level of MS2 from some manufacturers it ended up looking something like Dan's. _________________ There has only ever been one man who was perfect, and they nailed Him to a cross. |
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Danwvw Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:04 am Post subject: |
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porschpow wrote: |
Danwvw wrote: |
Saw this photo of what EP additives can do to a brass gear and am wondering if the Steering Gear Boxes on the VW Busses have brass gears?
I was thinking of running RedLine GL-4 90w any reason it would not be a good choice for the steering gear or the transaxle for that matter?
The Effects of EP Additives on Gear Boxes.
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Wow, so GL-5 did that? Is that a stock gear, or brand new oem? |
Sorry for it sounding like it was a VW Transmission I was talking about, What I am talking about is the VW Steering Gear Box. Not sure what that is a picture is of but it says it's a Worm Gear Box and I thought that is what VW Steering Gear Boxes were.
Any thoughts on using RedLine MT-90 GL4 in the Bus steering Gear Box? I think Napa may have it! _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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Danwvw Samba Member
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Danwvw wrote: |
...... What I am talking about is the VW Steering Gear Box. Not sure what that is a picture is of but it says it's a Worm Gear Box and I thought that is what VW Steering Gear Boxes were.
Any thoughts on using RedLine MT-90 GL4 in the Bus steering Gear Box? I think Napa may have it! |
All VW steering boxes use hardened steel gears. No brass whatsoever. Use any gear oil you want. _________________
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clooney Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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for the sake of discussion, are there any differences between "GEAR OIL" and "MANUAL TRANSMISSION OIL"
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clooney Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 12:05 am Post subject: |
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if we are too worried about whatever grade, maybe it's best to stick with OEM recommended MTF for modern cars? come to think about it, a Honda manual gearbox made in 2014 and our VW gearbox has more or less same parts, plus i am sure they offer a lot more performance? |
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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It's likely just different wording on the manufacturer's part.
VW says to use "transmission grease" in the steering box. What the heck is that? _________________
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26302 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote: |
VW says to use "transmission grease" in the steering box. What the heck is that? |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Haven't a clue as to what they want you to use, what modern viscosity standard compares to the mentioned WS spec? Replacement Type 1 boxes from TRW come with what looks to be #2 grease in them. Maybe a #1 or #0 grease might be better for an older OEM box? Really have no idea. |
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