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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

description isant a good thing to go for.kinda like a free dating service,you may not get what you think your getting. I would try to stay with the recommended oil found hear in this thread. I remember almost 30 years back lotsa issues with redline 2stroke oil in jetskis.when I finly got them to try the yamahalube issues went away.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok so what am I supposed to use on a redux transmission? I didn't feel like reading through 45 pages of debate. (Lind, clara, everett, eric and barb, now is the time to chime in! Laughing Laughing )
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no difference if it's a reduction box transmission

Currently I have GL-4 in one of my Buses and GL-5 in the other.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just picked up GL-4 Sta-Lube gear oil from Napa. It's the correct old school stuff. Not cheap, either as I could have filled it with synthetic for that money.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supply Vs Demand.

There's only 45 pages of commentary here if you want some opinions (and the occasional fact.) Be grateful you didn't come here looking for advice on engine oil!

Some pay a fortune for old single grade oil because it's "period correct."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quokka42 wrote:
Some pay a fortune for old single grade oil because it's "period correct."


I wonder where those dummies are getting period correct fuel?
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gears wrote:
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When i got my tranny back from Gary Berg he specifically said not to use Red Line and he will not warranty any parts if i did.


My list of poor choices includes Redline and the above spam oil.

Why not Redline? My transaxle is full of their GL-4 oil and has been for 15 years. The "Transform" transaxle in it has been working for 20 years (the first 5 with GL-4 dino oil.)
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no GL-4 any more, at least here, in Chicagoland.

I've been to bunch of stories today
O'Reillies, AutoZone, Advanced, Walmart, Menards, Pep Boys
None of them has GL-4 transmission oil.

Visited Jiffy Lube around the corner. They did not help me as well.

There is a bunch of oils an shelf saying: "Meets or exceeds API GL-4, GL-5 and MT-1, MACK GO-J, SAE J2360 specifications "

Any suggestion what I can buy, as of May 2015?
Is there on that link any tans fluid I can use on my BUG
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you really want GL-4 Napa should still have it.
Your local branch may have to order it in from the warehouse - it depends on the size of your local store.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:31 am    Post subject: Answer from Swepco rep Reply with quote

I wrote to Swepco to know what they would recommend between the SWEPCO 717 SYNCROMESH and SWEPCO 201.
I also asked him if the 201 would attack the synchro.

Here is answer:

Thank you for your inquiry. The SWEPCO 201 80W90 will not attact the bronze in your transmission and will be safe to use. Pleaee let us know if you have further questions.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

have any of you guys that have been in transmissions notic the syncros are almost always dull&look like they have been diped or cleaned with a acidic cleaner at some point?Ive never put in new syncros or seen new syncros that look like that. is this what you guys are talking about?I thought that was just plain old tarnishing Shocked like moms shiney brass shit&real silverware. or are they realy going away?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tarnish or discoloration will make no difference. The only thing that matters is how much the part wears out. I would continue using the Original German syncro's if they are not worn out before I'd use new Brazilian syncro's

It is just silly how many people can't understand GL-5 will not hurt your VW transaxle and is fine. All I use is the Valvoline Durablend Semi-synthetic blend 80W-90 in the Blue bottle.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gears wrote:

I have to hand it to Redline Corporation for their honesty .. after decades of recommending their excellent GL-4 oils for use in VW vans, they've backed away from their recommendation. Here are two of the bullets on their web page:

* Excellent gear and synchro protection, balanced slipperiness for easier shifting in cold climates

* MTL, MT-85 & MT-90 are not for use in differentials with hypoid gears


Crap, when did they add that? I bought a case of MT-90 back in '05 and put it in my current ('70) transaxle in '10. I was poking around today to figure out what to refill my steering box with when I saw this.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive been using penzoil marine gearlube.I havent seen any lube related issues. execpt for trans that already had bearing noises when I put them in(1 dead pinion bearing&1 dead ms bearing) and no clue if the lube had ever been changed when I got the trans. the only thing i dont like is the lube dosent climb. Im still wondering if some camshield zinc addtive would help with these trans and the much added hp were putting through them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

phorce1 wrote:
gears wrote:

I have to hand it to Redline Corporation for their honesty .. after decades of recommending their excellent GL-4 oils for use in VW vans, they've backed away from their recommendation. Here are two of the bullets on their web page:

* Excellent gear and synchro protection, balanced slipperiness for easier shifting in cold climates

* MTL, MT-85 & MT-90 are not for use in differentials with hypoid gears


Crap, when did they add that? I bought a case of MT-90 back in '05 and put it in my current ('70) transaxle in '10. I was poking around today to figure out what to refill my steering box with when I saw this.

{sigh}


The horses mouth:

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=46

MTL in particular has given problems.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so... does that make them liable Shocked ......... Rolling Eyes oh cheezzee hear we go!!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys! What do you know of Valvoline VV831? I know little about gear oil and I bought/filled my trans with it based on a recommendation. Upon further investigation, I may have been misguided.
Valvoline recommends a different lube but wont tell me if it will be sufficient. I've had it in for 10 miles, suggestions?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LivinInnaVWBus wrote:
Hey guys! What do you know of Valvoline VV831? I know little about gear oil and I bought/filled my trans with it based on a recommendation. Upon further investigation, I may have been misguided.
Valvoline recommends a different lube but wont tell me if it will be sufficient. I've had it in for 10 miles, suggestions?


Check out the asterisk at the bottom of this page.

http://content.valvoline.com/pdf/high_performance_gear.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildthings wrote:
LivinInnaVWBus wrote:
Hey guys! What do you know of Valvoline VV831? I know little about gear oil and I bought/filled my trans with it based on a recommendation. Upon further investigation, I may have been misguided.
Valvoline recommends a different lube but wont tell me if it will be sufficient. I've had it in for 10 miles, suggestions?


Check out the asterisk at the bottom of this page.

http://content.valvoline.com/pdf/high_performance_gear.pdf


Hm, I called Rancho, they said to run it and stated so long as it is a non-synthetic 80w90 hypoid, it will work just fine and anyone saying different is trying to sell you something. I mentioned the synchromesh, and he reiterated the above statement.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an exhausting read.
I was finally convinced its ok to move to synthetic. not entirely convinced on how to pick the correct GL5 yet.

What is an acceptable sulfur content for GL-5?
Valvoline VV831 has how much?
I did not see that the MSDS report had this info but I now know a fathead minnow can live in water for at least 96 hours with a concentration of 100mg/l of this oil in it. Laughing
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