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forgets Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2008 Posts: 20 Location: miami, fl
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: need shifter alignment help |
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so i've tried reading through whatever i could find in the search topics, which confused me a little more.. i also tried doing the shifter alignment described in the bentley.. made it a little better, but not 'working'..
Here's the problem with my shifter, first and second gear are to left of the lockout for reverse. meaning i have to go past the lockout (my shifter will let me, and then first is just past the lockout, reverse is a little farther left).. so i tried the shifter alignment as described in the bentley, didn't work out that well, i saw in some posts, that this condition is possibly caused by the missing 'dog ears' on the bottom part of the shifter.. however mine still has the dog ears, and they look to be in good condition.. the rear part of the linkage looks ok, as it's supposed to in the bentley picture..
from my estimation, the shifter 'stick' isn't completely 'straight' meaning i can push it about an inch and a half left before i hit the 'reverse lockout', (then i can move it a little up and left, then a little more up to hit first) .. it seems to me (though i am a recent first time westy owner) that first gear should be hit by just going up, instead of a little left, then up (or is it supposed to be like that?) .. how would i fix / align that ? i'll try and get photo's up in a little while so maybe that'll be of more help..
thanks for any input anyone has! |
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mightyart Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2004 Posts: 6188 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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What year do you own?
Your problems are more then likely worn bushings not adjustment. |
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forgets Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2008 Posts: 20 Location: miami, fl
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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oh, it's a 1985 westy, it's got new shifter trim plate that you just have to align the two holes on per the bentley, so it's been changed at some point, i was reading past articles, and i'm guessing i might need the $100 gowesty kit or the $50 van-cafe one, can anyone point me in the direction of which is the most likely offending piece, and if both shifter rebuild kits contain it? thanks! |
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vannygun Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 316 Location: Portland,or
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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i decided to be a hero one day and thought i would try to adjust my linkage by my self,not even close.i had the same problems you are having.the plastic bushings that the shaft going from the base of the shifter to the trans pass through are worn out.i had 1st gear in the reverse lockout position.since i knew how my van should shift i had a buddy underneath loosen the adjuster and adjust and tighten,over and over until 1st was out of the reverse lockout.im back to almost normal with a lot of slop but manageable.(many more items on the to do list in front of bushings like brakes,master cylinder, clutch slave/master,non p rated tires etc etc etc.just find someone who can tell from the drivers seat if first is in the right position while you are underneath making small adjustments or vise versa,remember from underneath everything if reversed and backwards(screwed with my head trying to figure it out alone!) _________________ definition-Vanagon, "a ideal breeding ground for gremlins"
2000 jeep Cherokee sport (DD)
1990 vanagon gl 2.2 subaru(sold)
2006 jeep commander |
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vannygun Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 316 Location: Portland,or
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
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here is a pic i threw together _________________ definition-Vanagon, "a ideal breeding ground for gremlins"
2000 jeep Cherokee sport (DD)
1990 vanagon gl 2.2 subaru(sold)
2006 jeep commander |
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forgets Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2008 Posts: 20 Location: miami, fl
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: |
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turns out upon further inspection i thought i had the dogs ears bushings..
it really was just a bunch of grease in the shape of them, and a few plastic pieces of their remnants.. so is it possible to get these alone? hopefully getting those will fix this right up.. |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, no. It's attached to the rod, about 4 feet long, and about 200$ if you can find it. I don't know of anyone that has them for sale right now. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
https://youtu.be/cSrL0BXsO40 |
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forgets Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2008 Posts: 20 Location: miami, fl
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: |
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hey if anyone's can snap a pic of what the bushings look like, or take some overall measurements, i'd greatly appreciate it, i'll try and find some at the junkyard today, and if not i'm probably going to try and fab some up with some plastic putty, or fiberglass...
p.s. what type of grease do i fill it with again? anything in particular i should look for at the auto parts store, or should i get the stuff straight from the dealership? |
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Dogpilot Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2005 Posts: 4205 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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The shaft with the ears on it is a special order item, still available from the dealer. Last time I checked it was $129. Bus Depot may be able to order one for you as well. It is long, so it causes problems with shippers.
If you haven't already, read this little article:
http://www.van-cafe.com/vanagonparts.jsp?pa=ip&ip=957368499 _________________ Geology with a Syncro rocks!
86 Syncro Westy AKA "The Bughunter"
98 Disco I
08 Range Rover SC
08 VW Rabbit S
1951 O-1G |
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korkwood Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2005 Posts: 63 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: need shifter alignment help |
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This is common problem, worn out (not bushings) plastic molded to ends of "fork". Most Vanagons have this problem unless front rods were replaced with new ones. Very expensive now.
It is no problem at all to shift without those plastic "wrappers", in fact i have same problem and it's not even noticable on my Syncro
On Westy i installed delrin caps and it works fine, original ones i think were urethane
those 2 adjustment slots on top of shifter box are useless,
real adjustment is at junction of front and rear shifter rods
for proper shifter alignment, shifter in neutral must be in position ligned up with 3-4 gear slot
There should be spriing tension while pushing left.When Released it should go back to same spot
Check condition inside shifter box, clean and lube guides
instead of fork
Leon |
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msinabottle Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2005 Posts: 3492 Location: Denver Area, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: URL's Changed on the Van Cafe Article |
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Here's the latest URL for that article on the Vanagon's shifter:
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_14_9/vanagon_shifter.html
I'm going to take a more serious look at Winston's shifter, but I think it will go better with two of us.
Best! _________________ 'Winston,' '84 1.9 WBX Westy
Vanagon Poet Laureate: "I have suffered in
many ways, but never, never, never in silence." |
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larrytrk Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2007 Posts: 377 Location: Central NJ & MA
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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My extreme difficulty getting into first gear was caused by misalignment of the linkage between the rear shift assembly and the middle shaft. loosening the coupling, after marking position with a sharpie, and realigning than tightening in the proper position gave me back butter smooth shifts in all four gears and reverse.
Much trial and error was involved as first four gears were fine ,but, no reverse and finally the proper position was gained.
As was suggested in a previous post a extra set of hands would have helped to maintain the twisted position while you tightened the clamp.
Thank you to the person (danfromsyr ) who gave directions on how to do this, it made it easy, when 2 mechanics didn't seem to know how. _________________ It's all in your mind.
I Hate BAMBI!
87 Westy full camper "Bluie" aka-"busturd"
JUST SOLD HER, WESTYLESS!
Good by cruel world! |
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