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Spanish Flea Samba Member
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Rally badge, but that one's not real. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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veewee25 Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2006 Posts: 73 Location: red bluff california
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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How can you tell?? |
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Wrong finish..........wrong pin......wrong backing. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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Spanish Flea Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2006 Posts: 1244 Location: So. Flo.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: |
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53 0val wrote: |
Wrong finish..........wrong pin......wrong backing. |
Well i've got two questions.
What was the Rally about?
And what would be the correct details?
Are there any photos of a correct badge?
Spanish Flea _________________ Miami Vdubs
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Rare Vintage Air
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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This badge has be covered several times in here before. The badge was a Nazi Party rally in Hannover. Its main goal was to collect money and show support for the "Party"..........it's emphasis was the Hitler Youth. The badge came in a silver finish with three different color leather backs that corresponded to the uniform colors of the services. The pin on the reverse was a "safety" style pin that was attached to the leather backing with a "brown" glue.
Do a search, if you need pictures, there are many in here. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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vwtoyguy Samba Member
Joined: January 31, 2005 Posts: 344 Location: West Fork, AR
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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That and the backing on his badge is dated 1942. _________________ 1957 Karmann Ghia
1960 Beetle
1965 Mexican CKD Beetle
1967 Beetle Volksrod Project
1967 Beetle Ratrod project
1971 Super Beetle
1971 Squareback
1971 Bus
1972 Beetle
1973 German market standard Beetle
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1988 Scirocco
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Spanish Flea Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2006 Posts: 1244 Location: So. Flo.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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So this is a original?
Spanish Flea _________________ Miami Vdubs
Alte Schule
Rare Vintage Air
"Mr. Ford, i don't think what we are being offered here is worth a damn!" - Ernest Breech (On buying VW, March 1948) |
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: |
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It looks OG. The real test would be a "black" light on the glue. The finish is correct, and the leather shows the appropriate shrinkage on the front and the texture and color is correct on the reverse. It has a much better chance at being original than the one you first posted. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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twinwindows Samba Pimp
Joined: December 08, 2000 Posts: 4086 Location: So.Cal. Highland Park GFK!
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Not trying to high jack this thread but what is the story on this piece Bob? I had it a while and was told you would have found these screwed to the top of a pen for a high official at the factory?
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Yeah, everyone's now doing it GFK style . . . everythinig is covert until the finished product is revealed. |
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Never existed Carlos..................Post war fantasy piece. Pole tops......"standard" tops.......are a very collectable 3rd Reich artifacts, and have been well studied and documented for many years. Flags were perhaps the most important visual aspect of the Nazi movement, and this carry-over from the age of heraldry is still very important to the German people. The construction of that "pen" top is very poor. The Germans were very skilled at metal work during the pre-war years, and would never had put that quality of "casting" out. This is typical to post war fakes with regard to its lack of quality. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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enjoy the VieW Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:30 am Post subject: KDF pin |
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Bob,
How about this one??
Thx
Frank
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53 0val Samba Professor
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:50 am Post subject: Re: KDF pin |
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enjoy the VieW wrote: |
Bob,
How about this one??
Thx
Frank
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Right material, correct pin, correct glue. It looks good Frank. I'd hit it with a black light just to be sure. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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enjoy the VieW Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: black light |
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Bob,
What happens with the glue?
Different color?
Thx
Frank |
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53 0val Samba Professor
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:22 am Post subject: Re: black light |
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enjoy the VieW wrote: |
Bob,
What happens with the glue?
Different color?
Thx
Frank |
Under a black light the glue will show no reflection. It will look like a dark mark. It will not glow. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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elkriss Samba Member
Joined: September 09, 2011 Posts: 62 Location: Mexicali, B.C. México
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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why the eagle isn't looking to the left? |
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53 0val Samba Professor
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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elkriss wrote: |
why the eagle isn't looking to the left? |
Political eagle vs Military eagle................Guess what this one is.
That's the simple answer........there was actually several different eagle shapes in the Third Reich (four different National Eagle shapes and perhaps as many as 12 different organization shapes.) The direction of the head before the war vs the the direction of the head during the war depended upon whether the organization was politically funded or whether the military funded the organization. (During the war several political eagles changed direction. ) You should also note that the swastika moved to a different axis after Germany attacked Poland. By looking at the eagle you can tell if it was a political organization or a military organization and if you're really savvy, you can even know the approximate year of the award by looking at the angle of the swastika arms. Probably too much information................ The badge is correct. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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IN2VWS Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2006 Posts: 2521 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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elkriss wrote: |
why the eagle isn't looking to the left? |
Depends which perspsctive you are looking at it from.
From the eagle point of view, he is looking to the left. _________________ ( ⫏ ⫐ )
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elkriss Samba Member
Joined: September 09, 2011 Posts: 62 Location: Mexicali, B.C. México
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:07 am Post subject: |
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IN2VWS wrote: |
elkriss wrote: |
why the eagle isn't looking to the left? |
Depends which perspsctive you are looking at it from.
From the eagle point of view, he is looking to the left. |
i mean his other left |
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lemke Samba Troll
Joined: February 24, 2004 Posts: 1249 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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How about this one Bob? What's the story on it? Is it real???
j/k
Seriously - it would be nice if there was a "lapel pin sticky" on this forum. |
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