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72on18's Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2005 Posts: 117 Location: corydon,indiana
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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I found this thread while searching so I figured I'd just post here instead of making a new thread. A friend of a friend got this at an estate auction and offered it to me for $35.00. I haven't seen it in person yet but thought I'd ask the experts if it were anything special or how to tell if it's a reproduction. It's silver metal with black enamel, Reads.. Volksgenwerkes -- Mai 1938
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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72on18's wrote: |
I found this thread while searching so I figured I'd just post here instead of making a new thread. A friend of a friend got this at an estate auction and offered it to me for $35.00. I haven't seen it in person yet but thought I'd ask the experts if it were anything special or how to tell if it's a reproduction. It's silver metal with black enamel, Reads.. Volksgenwerkes -- Mai 1938
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Save your money. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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Kalapaki Papa Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2008 Posts: 227 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: good job Bobby boy |
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once a teacher..always a teacher! Nice to see you are still 'trying' to edjamkate the masses!
Aloha
p.s. i still have the 1954 adac 3 day rally badge and orig flag/pennant and an nos top of fender mast ...interested? pm me |
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enjoy the VieW Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:48 pm Post subject: der erste brezelkäfer |
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Hi Guys,
Merry X-mas to you all!
Got today the book "der erste brezelkäfer" and i noticed on page 108 a KDF pin, that i always thought it was a repro.
Question is, is it a real one, or another reproduction, never existed??
Thx
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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It's a fantasy piece Frank.......... But let's say that it DID exist. Could this be a "real" one?
No, and here's why:
RzM marks were used on "military" produced items. Sometimes they did use both the RzM mark and the name of the production firm, but in this case, and at this time, the firm's name for that code was R Sieper & Sohne. Makers of fake, post war, military items sometimes changed the names slightly if the company was still in business, in order to avoid any legal action. It maybe that the pin was melted into the firm's name and obscuring the "R", but that would have been a design flaw tp the badge and not accepted by the company, or the RzM. Pins were always crimped into the bakelite................. not melted. Another "red flag" is the pin itself. Most pins of this era, and even through the 60's, will show some age due to the quality of the metal and the inferior plating used 60+ years ago. This pin looks new and is also set off center. The RzM was a quality control effort by the Nazi government. I would not expect that this kind of "workmanship" would have been sanctioned or been passed by a RzM inspector, especially in 1938. Because something is a book, does not make the scholarship in the book correct. There are many books written up through 1980's that have photos of known fakes, especially in the area of Nazi memorabilia, and even current books still use these old photographs. Personally, I would not spend any money on this bad boy. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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enjoy the VieW Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: pin |
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Bob, Thanks for the response!
Frank |
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albin Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2005 Posts: 35 Location: Bydgoszcz/Poland
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:52 am Post subject: |
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folks, here is what i managed to get some time ago. not a bage nor a pin but thpught it may fit to thies thread:
an original post stamp
http://www.auto-nostalgia.pl/?p=5269
thanks,
Krzysztof _________________ regards, albin
VW 1200 Sparkafer 1973
Porsche 911S 1976
VW T2b Westfalia 1978 |
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Richard Roth Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2004 Posts: 952
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:51 am Post subject: |
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There have been three other identical stamps for sale in the last few months.
I came really close to buying one until I found out about the others. _________________ The problem with reality is that there's no background music !
1966 Empi GTV MKIV
1954 Kabriolett Beetle
1953 Porsche 356 1500S
1957 Cable brake standard model
1962 cable brake standard model
1956 23 window Samba
1960 Austin Healey 3000
1961 Corvair Greenbrier |
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LittleThunder Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2006 Posts: 1015
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Just found this in a collection of buttons my wife had. Surely unrelated to VW Ghias but cool nonetheless.
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empiracer Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2002 Posts: 1098 Location: Issaquah / Seattle, Wa.
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Part of my recent "stash" buy , I have my doubts that it Is authentic.
Experts, What do you think ?
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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empiracer wrote: |
Part of my recent "stash" buy , I have my doubts that it Is authentic.
Experts, What do you think ?
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Never was............never will be. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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empiracer Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2002 Posts: 1098 Location: Issaquah / Seattle, Wa.
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Oval53, I have a couple other that pins that I've picked up over the years that I am already aware are fakes and or "Never Was"
When I get a chance I'll post photos just so there will be some sort of reference as most of the photos in this and related threads are no longer viewable.
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empiracer Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2002 Posts: 1098 Location: Issaquah / Seattle, Wa.
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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:58 am Post subject: |
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As promised, Here is what not to look for
Fantasy pieces , These did not exist during the KDF era
Fantasy piece "never was"
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Ges Gesch means Patent Pending. It was put on all Third Reich material that was meant for sale. The cornorstone pin was never meant to be sold. It was a gift to the invited people who were asked to attend the ceremony. |
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Hacksaw-BoB Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2009 Posts: 778 Location: Arizona
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empiracer Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2002 Posts: 1098 Location: Issaquah / Seattle, Wa.
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Wow.... excellent source of information, Thanks for sharing !! |
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Fred Udog Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2004 Posts: 372
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:01 am Post subject: |
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A new one (?)
OG one from 1951 : was published for inauguration of the Church of Wolfsburg, where Volkswagen contributed to its construction .... dated August 12, 1951
It shows: St Christopher (travelers'saint), the church "Christuskirche" the VW plant in Wolfsburg and obviously the Volkswagen Beetle ....
Fred
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shortride Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2010 Posts: 1323 Location: Oklahoma
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RalphMH Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2005 Posts: 85 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:36 am Post subject: |
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I saw those pins at eBay few time ago. First I wanted to bid, but then I saw nearly the same pins in a militaria onlineshop for some Euros only:
Did I miss the chance to bid on the very rare original ones ?
Or did somebody some artifical age on some new repop badges to make them look old ?
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53 0val Samba Professor
Joined: July 03, 2003 Posts: 11396 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:55 am Post subject: |
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RalphMH wrote: |
I saw those pins at eBay few time ago. First I wanted to bid, but then I saw nearly the same pins in a militaria onlineshop for some Euros only:
Did I miss the chance to bid on the very rare original ones ?
Or did somebody some artifical age on some new repop badges to make them look old ?
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IMO.......You saved yourself some money. _________________ "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." Dobee, Dobee, Do |
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bonecollector Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2003 Posts: 311 Location: Southeast Idaho
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Official Badge / Pin thread - Real or Reproduction? |
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I kinda wish I hadn't found this thread. I've had these packed away in a box for probably 15 years but now I'm pretty sure they repops. Let guess. Fake and fake.
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