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jabbersword Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: Stabilizer bar or Sway bar ?? |
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I am in need of a new Stabilizer bar for my 69 sporty and have been un-able to find one. I come across sway bars during my search but have not found the elusive Stabilizer bar.
Can some one tell me the difference between the two, or is there?
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DubKru Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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None that I know of, unless its like a brand thing: "Acme Stabilizer Bar" _________________ 2L, Raby cam, HAM Heads, Mallory, Dual Dell 40's, Porsche discs, Fuchs (Colored matched not to my bus),tunin' the crap out of it, slammed on Wagenswest suspension.
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I like to take care of my engine and find a nice speed to cruise in on my bus, but sometimes.....you just get in the mood to run the piece of crap into the ground. |
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LetsGoCamping Samba Member
Joined: February 26, 2008 Posts: 207 Location: Corona, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Are you mixing up the front stabilizer bar with the steering damper like I did? Here is Bus Boys example of the damper:
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The Steering Damper is a sideways "shock absorber" that dampens the bumps and irregularities encountered on the road surface throughout your steering system. The best hint to know when a Steering Damper has gone bad is that the Steering Wheel begins to "wiggle" under load as it's going down the highway. The installation of a Steering Damper was standard equipment from 1963 through 1979, optional up to 1962. |
If not, from what I can decipher from the Bentley front axle picture, the "sway bar" would appear to be the "stabilizer bar" since no specific "stabilizer bar" is mentioned. |
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typesoneandtwo Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2004 Posts: 659 Location: Cape Cod Mass. Bass River
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: |
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As far as I know, the terms are interchangable. When I needed to fix the bushings on my Oldmobile sway bar, I could find no reference to "sway bar" only "stabilizer" It's just a fancy way of saying "sway bar", I guess. _________________ Each day is precious. |
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: |
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typesoneandtwo wrote: |
As far as I know, the terms are interchangable. When I needed to fix the bushings on my Oldmobile sway bar, I could find no reference to "sway bar" only "stabilizer" It's just a fancy way of saying "sway bar", I guess. |
Let us not forget the alternative term, anti-roll bar! _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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DubKru Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: |
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I'd say sway-bar is the alternative to anti-sway bar. But that might lead us to a semantics war. _________________ 2L, Raby cam, HAM Heads, Mallory, Dual Dell 40's, Porsche discs, Fuchs (Colored matched not to my bus),tunin' the crap out of it, slammed on Wagenswest suspension.
Polish Rifle wrote: |
I like to take care of my engine and find a nice speed to cruise in on my bus, but sometimes.....you just get in the mood to run the piece of crap into the ground. |
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jabbersword Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I appreciate everyone’s input but I am just going to come to the conclusion that the Stabilizer Bar and Sway Bar is the same thing.
For anyone who is interested and has a copy of the Robert Bentley Official Service Manual for Type 2 can look at chapter 2 Front axle section Fig. 1-1 shows a diagram with a what they call a Stabilizer Bar.
Another Reference would be the (Fix your Volkswagen) by Larry Johnson Page 147 Fig. G-4.
Again thanks for the inputs |
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VWGeorge Samba Member
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highrev9k Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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I just put those empi bars on this afternoon and they are amazing!! got eveything from cip and the grand total was $230 shipped. worth it. i could fly around corners now if i weren't afraid of shredding my tires to bits! one thing i think i've noticed is that before the kyb gas adjusts on all four corners did not seem too harsh, as many on here have said. the bus used to just float on down the road, swaying to smooth out the bumps with a decent amount of damping. now i'm pretty sure the ride has become stiffer and possibly a little harsh up front. still, a major improvement, i never thought a bus could drive like that! |
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2958 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: 1968~79 VW Type 2, EMPI front & rear anti-roll bars |
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highrev9k wrote: |
I just put those empi bars on this afternoon and they are amazing!! got eveything from cip and the grand total was $230 shipped. worth it. i could fly around corners now if i weren't afraid of shredding my tires to bits! one thing i think i've noticed is that before the kyb gas adjusts on all four corners did not seem too harsh, as many on here have said. the bus used to just float on down the road, swaying to smooth out the bumps with a decent amount of damping. now i'm pretty sure the ride has become stiffer and possibly a little harsh up front. still, a major improvement, i never thought a bus could drive like that! |
1968~79 VW Type 2, 7/8 inch diameter, EMPI heavy-duty front anti-roll bar
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D4051
1968~79 VW Type 2, 3/4 inch diameter, EMPI heavy-duty rear anti-roll bar
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D4049
How does the 3/4 inch diameter, EMPI heavy-duty rear anti-roll bar fit onto to the rear suspension and chassis? Does it attach forwards to the rear-suspension torsion-bar tube or rearwards to the engine support bar (aka moustache bar)? _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
http://www.vwt2oc.net |
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jaredm81 Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Sinking Spring, PA
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1968~79 VW Type 2, EMPI front & rear anti-roll bars |
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NASkeet wrote: |
highrev9k wrote: |
I just put those empi bars on this afternoon and they are amazing!! got eveything from cip and the grand total was $230 shipped. worth it. i could fly around corners now if i weren't afraid of shredding my tires to bits! one thing i think i've noticed is that before the kyb gas adjusts on all four corners did not seem too harsh, as many on here have said. the bus used to just float on down the road, swaying to smooth out the bumps with a decent amount of damping. now i'm pretty sure the ride has become stiffer and possibly a little harsh up front. still, a major improvement, i never thought a bus could drive like that! |
1968~79 VW Type 2, 7/8 inch diameter, EMPI heavy-duty front anti-roll bar
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D4051
1968~79 VW Type 2, 3/4 inch diameter, EMPI heavy-duty rear anti-roll bar
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D4049
How does the 3/4 inch diameter, EMPI heavy-duty rear anti-roll bar fit onto to the rear suspension and chassis? Does it attach forwards to the rear-suspension torsion-bar tube or rearwards to the engine support bar (aka moustache bar)? |
I just installed those same bars this weekend and they mount with an L bracket to the bottom bolt that holds the shocks on. Than you use a U clamp to mount tham to the frame rails. _________________ 1973 Transporter
79 2.0l engine with weber progressive |
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VWGeorge Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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The rear bar runs along the torsion tube that is forward from the transmission. In the event that you have an automatic transmission I would recomend the WHITELINE unit. The Empi will not fit.
I use oil in the front and gas charged in the rear( insert joke please).
This combo gives a very nice ride with the bars forward and back. |
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jabbersword Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link, I just ordered it.
If this works out I will order the rear. |
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