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Lord Lost66 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: L55 Maroon Red |
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Does anyone have any pictures of an Oval in this colour? |
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cvallone Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: Reviving this thread on L55 |
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Hey guys,
Still looking for info on L55 Maroon Red. I see conflicting results with when it was offered and with what style car it was on, vert or sedan. Car of the century book shows only a 52 color, Wolfsburg west shows 53, the split thread here says till 54.
Any ideas? Also was it metallic or flat?
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Kjell Roar Samba Member
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cvallone Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 875 Location: Congers New York
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Kjell Roar wrote: |
The color is flat. I have seen it on a 53 zwitter. Nice, quite dark color. |
I am very interested in painting my 53 Oval Rag this color. Is this something that I would be crucified for by the purists? haha =o)
Any thoughts?
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laneven28 Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2007 Posts: 312 Location: Cedar Hills, Utah
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yea, you will be crucified by some for painting it that color, but do you really care? If I were in your shoes, I'd get clear on one point before spraying any color - what do you intend to do with the car over the medium/long term? If you plan on keeping it, then don't worry what the vintage nazi's think or say and go for it. If you plan on selling it relatively soon after it's done, then consider painting the original color first, and a proper color for the year next. It will appeal to a wider vintage audience and allow you to recover more of your investment when it comes time to sell. Even if you do paint it L55 and decide to sell shortly after, I doubt the value will take a significant hit for painting it a period correct VW color. Just my 2 cents.
I checked my copy of Car of the Century, and it shows L55 used from the beginning of the 1951 model year (from chassis 1-0220472) through early 1953 (Zwitter splits through chassis 1-0454950), so the color was used for a couple of years, and into 53. I have an early 51 that was this color, and there are several places on the car including the dash with the original paint still showing, and in good condition. I originally thought the color was L51 Bordeaux Red, but Car of the Century says otherwise. I can post some pics if you'd like. _________________ 1950 Pearl Grey Hoffman Standard Split Window
1954 Iceland Green Euro 3-Fold Oval
1955 Strato Silver Transitional 3-Fold Oval
1956 Iris Blue Convertible
1958 Pearl White Lowlight KG Convertible
1961 Turkis Ragtop |
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cvallone Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 875 Location: Congers New York
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:24 am Post subject: |
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laneven28 wrote: |
Yea, you will be crucified by some for painting it that color, but do you really care? If I were in your shoes, I'd get clear on one point before spraying any color - what do you intend to do with the car over the medium/long term? If you plan on keeping it, then don't worry what the vintage nazi's think or say and go for it. If you plan on selling it relatively soon after it's done, then consider painting the original color first, and a proper color for the year next. It will appeal to a wider vintage audience and allow you to recover more of your investment when it comes time to sell. Even if you do paint it L55 and decide to sell shortly after, I doubt the value will take a significant hit for painting it a period correct VW color. Just my 2 cents.
I checked my copy of Car of the Century, and it shows L55 used from the beginning of the 1951 model year (from chassis 1-0220472) through early 1953 (Zwitter splits through chassis 1-0454950), so the color was used for a couple of years, and into 53. I have an early 51 that was this color, and there are several places on the car including the dash with the original paint still showing, and in good condition. I originally thought the color was L51 Bordeaux Red, but Car of the Century says otherwise. I can post some pics if you'd like. |
Oh yes I would love to see pics if you could! I am thinking on keeping it but at the same time having resale value. To the purist, yes they want the original color, but at the same time they do not spend the money from my experience. In my biz, it seems like the guys who spend the big dollars on VWs want something cute, fun, vintage stock looking with eye appeal.
That is basically what I create, a bug that is vintage stock, maybe not 100% correct as far as what the car originally was painted or what interior combo it had. I like eye appeal, mass audience appeal. Frankly some combos that VW had back then just did not pop. As long as I keep it vintage stock "looking" I seem to have success.
Your thoughts? Would love to see pics.
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laneven28 Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2007 Posts: 312 Location: Cedar Hills, Utah
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:03 am Post subject: |
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I suspect you know the market for vintage VW's better than most and understand what real buyers want. I personally have no problem with your idea, and consider myself to be a purist. I love stock VWs, but don't get worked up by slight modifications that are done tastefully that stay within the VW family or era.
My 51 is in storage, so I'll run by today or tomorrow and take some pics for you. _________________ 1950 Pearl Grey Hoffman Standard Split Window
1954 Iceland Green Euro 3-Fold Oval
1955 Strato Silver Transitional 3-Fold Oval
1956 Iris Blue Convertible
1958 Pearl White Lowlight KG Convertible
1961 Turkis Ragtop |
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cvallone Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 875 Location: Congers New York
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:39 am Post subject: |
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laneven28 wrote: |
I suspect you know the market for vintage VW's better than most and understand what real buyers want. I personally have no problem with your idea, and consider myself to be a purist. I love stock VWs, but don't get worked up by slight modifications that are done tastefully that stay within the VW family or era.
My 51 is in storage, so I'll run by today or tomorrow and take some pics for you. |
Thanks so much for the kind words, very much looking forward to the pics. I ordered the birth certificate for this car, and as usual 70 bucks down the drain for no info than what I already knew. They mention no color, no interior, no options, nadda.
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laneven28 Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2007 Posts: 312 Location: Cedar Hills, Utah
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I stopped by my storage unit today and took several shots of the maroon red on the 51. I used some rubbing/polishing compound in a few of the better areas, but the pics still didn't turn out as well as I'd like - several show the color looking more brown than maroon, and it doesn't help that the only camera I have is on my phone. I've posted the best of them that give you a good sense of the color.
_________________ 1950 Pearl Grey Hoffman Standard Split Window
1954 Iceland Green Euro 3-Fold Oval
1955 Strato Silver Transitional 3-Fold Oval
1956 Iris Blue Convertible
1958 Pearl White Lowlight KG Convertible
1961 Turkis Ragtop |
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cvallone Samba Member
Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 875 Location: Congers New York
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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laneven28 wrote: |
I stopped by my storage unit today and took several shots of the maroon red on the 51. I used some rubbing/polishing compound in a few of the better areas, but the pics still didn't turn out as well as I'd like - several show the color looking more brown than maroon, and it doesn't help that the only camera I have is on my phone. I've posted the best of them that give you a good sense of the color.
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Ok thanks, you sure that is not Bordeaux red? L51? _________________ My restos www.classicvwbugs.com
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8503 Location: PNW
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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laneven28 wrote: |
I originally thought the color was L51 Bordeaux Red, but Car of the Century says otherwise. I can post some pics if you'd like. |
I thought there were several incorrect statements in this book. I would agree that your car is bordeaux. |
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laneven28 Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2007 Posts: 312 Location: Cedar Hills, Utah
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Splitdog and his dad both own 51's, and their Hot VW's feature in June 2011 noted both cars as L51 Bordeaux Red, so I assumed my car was the same color, especially as my car and Splitdog's dad's were likely built the same week.
A couple months ago, I was looking through my copy of The Car of the Century and noted that L51 Bordeaux Red ended at the end of 1950, and L55 Maroon Red was introduced at the beginning of the 51 model year and ran through March 53. Bob Wilson's 49-59 VW Beetle Authenticity Series book supports these dates exactly. Both books differ from what is shown in the paint/upholstery section of the samba, so i'm not sure which sources are correct, but 2 of the 3 references I use support my car being L55. Hopefully the BC will note the original color when I order it, and clear it up. Does anyone out there know the real answer?
Regardless of when L51 ended and L55 began, it's interesting that there are no reference pictures of L55 here on the samba. It was clearly offered for a longer period than L51, and more cars were produced during that time frame, yet no L55 pics and plenty of L51. _________________ 1950 Pearl Grey Hoffman Standard Split Window
1954 Iceland Green Euro 3-Fold Oval
1955 Strato Silver Transitional 3-Fold Oval
1956 Iris Blue Convertible
1958 Pearl White Lowlight KG Convertible
1961 Turkis Ragtop |
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8503 Location: PNW
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piet&som Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2009 Posts: 250 Location: Toxandria
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:53 am Post subject: |
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L55 Maroon Red taken in BC 2011
_________________ Oval 54 Light Beige, Oval 53 Metalblue. |
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cvallone Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:05 am Post subject: |
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piet&som wrote: |
L55 Maroon Red taken in BC 2011
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Oh Yeah! Looks good, any interior shots? Need more! haha =O)
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piet&som Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Sorry Chris, don't have interior shots.
Here's another one. In sunlight the color brightens up a lot.
A friend of mine has another L55 Maroon 53 cabrio but I don't have photo's yet. I work on it.
_________________ Oval 54 Light Beige, Oval 53 Metalblue. |
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cvallone Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:42 am Post subject: |
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piet&som wrote: |
Sorry Chris, don't have interior shots.
Here's another one. In sunlight the color brightens up a lot.
A friend of mine has another L55 Maroon 53 cabrio but I don't have photo's yet. I work on it.
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Man I am stoked! I love it. Any other pics would be great.
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nidan2 Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2011 Posts: 86 Location: BELGIUM
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: |
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here's my BC-picture of this car;
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allsidius Samba Member
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cvallone Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:00 am Post subject: |
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allsidius wrote: |
Lose those eyebrows. They ruin the car. |
Nah they are not bad, I like em _________________ My restos www.classicvwbugs.com
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