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notchback Insensitive Jerk
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'm calling a respray at least of the front apron. Look at the build tag. How come the rivets aren't painted? The tag is applied to the body before painting. Also, the tag for the windshield washer appears to have some paint on it. In the shot of the VIN tag, the corner of it appears to be hanging over the edge of the support.
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I'm not seeing all of this, though I suspect there is more than meets the photographer's eye in any case.
The VIN tag is applied after paint; the build date tag is put on before paint. Both look as they should to my eye. The washer bottle sticker is foil, and so I think the peeling underside is reflecting the paint, not showing overspray.
And even if it is original, that price is crazy given the dents in the LR fender and other generally worn items. Really nice car, yes! But overpriced. |
Look at the rivets on the build date tag. How come they aren't painted? You have to look at other photos to see the other things I mentioned. _________________
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22358 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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notchback wrote: |
KTPhil wrote: |
notchback wrote: |
I'm calling a respray at least of the front apron. Look at the build tag. How come the rivets aren't painted? The tag is applied to the body before painting. Also, the tag for the windshield washer appears to have some paint on it. In the shot of the VIN tag, the corner of it appears to be hanging over the edge of the support.
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I'm not seeing all of this, though I suspect there is more than meets the photographer's eye in any case.
The VIN tag is applied after paint; the build date tag is put on before paint. Both look as they should to my eye. The washer bottle sticker is foil, and so I think the peeling underside is reflecting the paint, not showing overspray.
And even if it is original, that price is crazy given the dents in the LR fender and other generally worn items. Really nice car, yes! But overpriced. |
Look at the rivets on the build date tag. How come they aren't painted? You have to look at other photos to see the other things I mentioned. |
Agreed. And I don't think those are the correct rivit heads on the hood latch either. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, I see. I didn't click on it to enlarge it and see the UNpainted rivets on the date tag. Not original, as you say.
I have seen those hood rivets before, though.
Not clear whether the seller is playing funny with the facts or if they received bum info, but they don't know these cars well enough to represent it as original. |
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:15 am Post subject: |
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I think I've seen those hood latch rivets before, too
the non-painted rivets do raise a few eyebrows though |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:25 am Post subject: |
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bobnorman wrote: |
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sjbartnik wrote: |
How about this one?
http://www.exoticclassics.com/1972-volkswagen-type-iii-squareback-wagon--c-406.htm
8300 original mile '72 Squareback time capsule for $22,900.
I can't fault the car, it's gorgeous but dat price doe. Then again how many original 8300 mile Squarebacks are left out there?
I suppose I'd pay $23K for this one before I'd pay $17.5K for that restored one we saw above. I guess if you're gonna spend that much, what's $5K more for a low-miles original (even considering that you're probably going to have to replace every piece of rubber on the car). |
If that's a '72, wonder what it's doing with a '73 engine? |
Not to be a negative naysayer, and no doubt it’s a very nice car with very low miles, but, 8300?
Just some observations/questions: Does it look like a little overspray on the bottom left of the washer air pressure sticker (maybe just a reflection from a bent edge), as well as the driver’s side B pillar rear fender seal? Just wondering if there may have been a few little touch ups here and there. Spare tire has been replaced with modern, too bad as that would have been a nice addition, and at that mileage would no doubt have been unused.
Also, that driver’s seat is sagging pretty hard, and the wear on the clutch pedal might be a little more that you’d see after 8300. Trunk liner centre piece seems to have been painted or replaced as it is much cleaner than the side pieces (maybe it was just made from a different material?) . Also, question on the wiring to the generator...Would the red wire have had the black shrink around the terminal? |
Yes, both front seats have sunk, but the left does seem to be sunk a little more. But then, those seats are kind of cheaply made and seem to loose the bottom support for some reason.
Personally, I think it's got more miles than indicated, along with being an older restoration. When you look at everything in the pics, the engine (and engine bay) seem dirtier than the rest. It was probably a garaged car, which is why it's still very nice. But the dirt seems out of place on such a clean car.
The reason I say older resto, is that by looking at the window seals, they appear to have aluminum trim in them, rather than plastic. Also, the left side of the load floor looks like it's had a water leak, as evidenced by both the cardboad surround, and the mat both having water stains. If it was just the surround, then I'd say it was an ECU cover not being installed correctly, but the mat wouldn't be wet on the top side. Also, for the "low mileage", wouldn't the rubber timing plug still be in place? I mean all of the other test stuff is there (other than the #1 plug wire sensor that plugs into the wire laying on the coil).
There is also some dirt imbedded in the carpet around the throttle pedal base, which idicates wear (or a lack of cleaning), but the clutch pedal rubber pad seems a little funky (kind of like it wants to fall off), but then it might just be the lighting. I'm not sure. Heater outlets seem dirty/rusty looking to me too. Granted it's a 42 year old car, but shouldn't they be as clean as the rest of it?
The middle frunk section is also out of place, compared to the side panels. They should have cleaned them up some more, or "re-sprayed" them to match the center piece. When looking at it, it should have equal wear and marks, compared to the sides.
Definitely a Red flag to me (all of the things put together). These are just my observations. I'd really like to see some pics of the bottom side before I spent that kind of money. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Slow 1200 wrote: |
I think I've seen those hood latch rivets before, too
the non-painted rivets do raise a few eyebrows though |
Yeah, I've got a box of them here. We used those rivits on aluminum trailer repairs, and aluminum panels on the race car (back in the day).
The non-painted rivits are definitely out of place IF you know type 3s. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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squaretobehip Samba Member
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notchboy Samba Member
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sjbartnik Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Seems to me that rubber is not one of those things that's better NOS. |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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sjbartnik wrote: |
Seems to me that rubber is not one of those things that's better NOS. |
Oh it all depends. I scored a sweet set a couple years back. Stuff looks new All NOS and German. Not cosmoline coated but lots of talc. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
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1964 T34 S Convertible
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sjbartnik Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:45 am Post subject: |
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notchboy wrote: |
Oh it all depends. I scored a sweet set a couple years back. Stuff looks new All NOS and German. Not cosmoline coated but lots of talc. |
OK, so it's just *that* rubber |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:46 am Post subject: |
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That rubber looks like old chewing gum for sure. Its tough to get nice stuff for the T3. Its either shitty repop or so coated with cosmoline and wadded up like that dried out one - its unusable. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
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hoss Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2003 Posts: 788 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1770046
I just wanted to post this '63 Sunroof here first before it gets blown up for what it is at the price it's posted.
On behalf of Joe (M113 on here), the builder of this notch, it was not built or sold originally to be a 32k notch. So before picking apart what is correct and not correct, or what it may or may not be worth, the current seller is trying to flip this car after having it in his possession for about a month for a HUGE (probably doubling) profit.
I personally know this car well. Do I feel this car is worth the asking price? No, not anywhere close to it.. and neither does the builder of the car. _________________ '54 Kombi | '57 356 Coupe | '57 Samba | '62 Notchback | '63 Beetle (36k Original Miles) | '66 Pigalle Sunroof Squareback | '70 Westy |
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squaretobehip Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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hoss wrote: |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1770046
I just wanted to post this '63 Sunroof here first before it gets blown up for what it is at the price it's posted.
On behalf of Joe (M113 on here), the builder of this notch, it was not built or sold originally to be a 32k notch. So before picking apart what is correct and not correct, or what it may or may not be worth, the current seller is trying to flip this car after having it in his possession for about a month for a HUGE (probably doubling) profit.
I personally know this car well. Do I feel this car is worth the asking price? No, not anywhere close to it.. and neither does the builder of the car. |
I was about to say, didn't this Notchback JUST get to Florida? _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
1965 Squareback - Baltic Blue
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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hoss wrote: |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1770046
I just wanted to post this '63 Sunroof here first before it gets blown up for what it is at the price it's posted.
On behalf of Joe (M113 on here), the builder of this notch, it was not built or sold originally to be a 32k notch. So before picking apart what is correct and not correct, or what it may or may not be worth, the current seller is trying to flip this car after having it in his possession for about a month for a HUGE (probably doubling) profit.
I personally know this car well. Do I feel this car is worth the asking price? No, not anywhere close to it.. and neither does the builder of the car. |
So, does that mean we can't rip it apart here in the whines? I mean at 32K, it's really asking for it.
It sure looks like Lenny was using the car more as an ad for his carpet kit to me. Personally I'd like to see a 2nd shot of the engine, and maybe a close up of the sunroof closed, rather than 2 of the same seat pics. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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hoss Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
hoss wrote: |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1770046
I just wanted to post this '63 Sunroof here first before it gets blown up for what it is at the price it's posted.
On behalf of Joe (M113 on here), the builder of this notch, it was not built or sold originally to be a 32k notch. So before picking apart what is correct and not correct, or what it may or may not be worth, the current seller is trying to flip this car after having it in his possession for about a month for a HUGE (probably doubling) profit.
I personally know this car well. Do I feel this car is worth the asking price? No, not anywhere close to it.. and neither does the builder of the car. |
So, does that mean we can't rip it apart here in the whines? I mean at 32K, it's really asking for it.
It sure looks like Lenny was using the car more as an ad for his carpet kit to me. Personally I'd like to see a 2nd shot of the engine, and maybe a close up of the sunroof closed, rather than 2 of the same seat pics. |
By all means.. rip apart for the price!
Incorrect pieces
- Has Cat's Eye mirror
- Has All white shift knob
- Incorrect Fuel Pump
- Blue Coil
- 009 Distributor _________________ '54 Kombi | '57 356 Coupe | '57 Samba | '62 Notchback | '63 Beetle (36k Original Miles) | '66 Pigalle Sunroof Squareback | '70 Westy |
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