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Dr Evil Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2008 Posts: 30 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: How do I open my Coffee can? |
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I've recently picked up a 51' Tempo Matador and wanted to loose the surface rust on the 25hp motor.
I can't seem to open the coffee can air filter to remove the filter and paint the individual pieces. Does anyone know how to strip it?
Sorry, I'm new to the Samba, if it's been covered before or in the wrong section, please point me in the right direction. |
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RareAir Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14576 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
A few people have asked for details on replacing the felt "sock" in the T Air Cleaner in the past. I put together a series of pics and some details on the tools I made/use. Here are a few pics, for the complete write-up (got too big to paste here) go to zarwerks.com and see the "Techwerks" page.
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Dr Evil Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2008 Posts: 30 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Thankyou, thats a great help. |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 23748 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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John Henry did a fantastic job installing a new element in mine. |
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GERMANCAR Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2008 Posts: 54 Location: Land of Dreams
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roymartian Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2011 Posts: 377 Location: MELBOURNE
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Where to buy a new sock ? |
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roymartian Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2011 Posts: 377 Location: MELBOURNE
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:28 am Post subject: any recommendations from split owners |
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Checked out how to on Zarwerks but my air cleaner only has holes at one end and has the dished washer is located at the same end so not sure process would work ?
Is it possible to put some more modern material inside like a suitable foam or gauze instead of sock approach ?
Any recommendations from split owners ? |
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originalo Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2007 Posts: 358 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:54 am Post subject: modern filter element for VW MANN T or coffee can airfilter |
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Yes, there is a perfectly fitting modern filter element available. It is a cylindric element that can easily be inserted in the MANN T airfilter when one side cover has been clipped off.
Supplier: MAHLE/KNECHT, their Reference is: LX 646/1 micro-star
This part can also be ordered at NISSAN dealers, part # 1654600QAG
or at RENAULT dealerships part # 7701039857 or alternatively 7701043709.
Both sides of this filter element come with a signalorange rubber surround. That portion should be painted/tinted black before installment in the historic VW T-aircleaner.
Cost of this filter element is quite reasonable, around USD/ 10.00. |
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Grant Reiling Samba Slow-Change Artist
Joined: November 28, 2003 Posts: 491 Location: behind the wheel
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:32 am Post subject: Re: modern filter element for VW MANN T or coffee can airfil |
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originalo wrote: |
Yes, there is a perfectly fitting modern filter element available. It is a cylindric element that can easily be inserted in the MANN T airfilter when one side cover has been clipped off.
Supplier: MAHLE/KNECHT, their Reference is: LX 646/1 micro-star
This part can also be ordered at NISSAN dealers, part # 1654600QAG
or at RENAULT dealerships part # 7701039857 or alternatively 7701043709.
Both sides of this filter element come with a signalorange rubber surround. That portion should be painted/tinted black before installment in the historic VW T-aircleaner.
Cost of this filter element is quite reasonable, around USD/ 10.00. |
That is very good to know that there's been some truly 21st Century thinking applied to this problem; thanks for posting details Originalo! _________________ 1952 Azure Blue 12G (LHD Deluxe 3-fold sunroof Sedan).
"What you really know is possible in your heart is possible.
We make it possible by our will.
What we imagine in our minds becomes our world. Thats just one of many things I have learned from water."
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The Hidden Messages in Water |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4080
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: modern filter element for VW MANN T or coffee can airfil |
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originalo wrote: |
Yes, there is a perfectly fitting modern filter element available. It is a cylindric element that can easily be inserted in the MANN T airfilter when one side cover has been clipped off.
Supplier: MAHLE/KNECHT, their Reference is: LX 646/1 micro-star
This part can also be ordered at NISSAN dealers, part # 1654600QAG
or at RENAULT dealerships part # 7701039857 or alternatively 7701043709.
Both sides of this filter element come with a signalorange rubber surround. That portion should be painted/tinted black before installment in the historic VW T-aircleaner.
Cost of this filter element is quite reasonable, around USD/ 10.00. |
Can you post pictures of that element installed in a coffee can air filter?
I am having a hard time visualizing how it would actually work properly in this application.
This is the element in question.
_________________ Chris
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roymartian Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2011 Posts: 377 Location: MELBOURNE
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Brilliant - right off to Nissan dealer! |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4080
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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roymartian wrote: |
Brilliant - right off to Nissan dealer! |
Don't get too excited. I really don't think it will work. It will probably fit in the can but won't actually filter anything. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
Don't get too excited. I really don't think it will work. It will probably fit in the can but won't actually filter anything. |
I know originalo, the guy who gave the hint.
If he says it fits perfectly, then it will.
Iīd expect the rubber to sit airtight all around in the tube.
So it will actually filter the air. And surely better than a piece of fabric. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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roymartian Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2011 Posts: 377 Location: MELBOURNE
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Usariemen |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4080
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:46 am Post subject: |
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usariemen wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
Don't get too excited. I really don't think it will work. It will probably fit in the can but won't actually filter anything. |
I know originalo, the guy who gave the hint.
If he says it fits perfectly, then it will.
Iīd expect the rubber to sit airtight all around in the tube.
So it will actually filter the air. And surely better than a piece of fabric. |
Having taken one apart, I have to question the suggested modern element.
Is one end of the new element blocked off or is it open on both ends?
If it is open on one both ends then it is very likely that it won't filter the air.
I think it is reasonable to ask to see how this thing is supposed to work. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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banana split Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2002 Posts: 1068 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Canada
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
I think it is reasonable to ask to see how this thing is supposed to work. |
Of course it is.
I donīt know if it is open on both ends. But even if.
Letīs assume the two rubber rings sit tight in the metal tube.
Then just filtered air would reach the inlet.
Maybe the baffle that sits inside over the exit has to be removed first to make way for the filter element. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4080
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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usariemen wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
I think it is reasonable to ask to see how this thing is supposed to work. |
Of course it is.
I donīt know if it is open on both ends. But even if.
Letīs assume the two rubber rings sit tight in the metal tube.
Then just filtered air would reach the inlet.
Maybe the baffle that sits inside over the exit has to be removed first to make way for the filter element. |
The filter would have to completely seal off both ends of the can in order to work. If it doesn't, unfiltered air will enter the engine.
It would have to seal off these small round holes completely with no leaks.
It would have to be big enough to just fit inside the can to do this. There is also a baffle inside where the fitting comes out to mount to the carb. This baffle will prevent a filter the same size as the can to fit inside.
Even with the baffle removed, assuning the element is the same ID as the can, there will be only a very small spot of the filter that is used and that would be right over the hole to the carb.
Until I see one of these installed I think it is very likely that it doesn't actually seal properly inside so it will allow unfiltered air straight into the engine. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
It would have to seal off these small round holes completely with no leaks.
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I can not explain how it works while I never have worked with it.
I just immagine it will work like that.
Maybe the baffle will have to be removed to push the filter in.
When the two rubber rings sit tight to the outside wall the air gets in just through the filter.
Or is the filter is closed on one end and with a smaller diameter there. That end might pass the baffle as is and it just seals around its inlet. The one side of the air cleaner housing is blocked by its closed cap anyway. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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roymartian Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2011 Posts: 377 Location: MELBOURNE
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 4:43 am Post subject: |
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How about this - arrived after 3 weeks, nice interference fit.
Just got to remove baffle at weekend and fit carefully to reseal.
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