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71superAS Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2012 Posts: 223 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:01 am Post subject: Autostick gear-shifting problems |
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Also posted this over at the VWAR forums, but I just wanted to spread the love on my free day, I am just sitting here waiting for some guidance:
I had an issue with a broken contact wire, I fitted a new one.
Well, I have the wire and contact replaced. Now it appears I can get it into gear. One curious thing is that I can't get it out of gear without shutting the car off. The shifter won't move into neutral with any reasonable amount of force. I am going to disassemble the whole shifter column to see if the bushing is shot.
Also, when I put it into reverse, it squeals. I will record it and upload it for people to hear if this makes no sense. Squeals until I shut the car off in reverse. If anyone is around and can give me guidance, I can work on this for the next 12 hours today, so any thoughts posted ASAP would be swell.
Thanks as always for all your help everyone!
Patrick
Update:
Ok, just took it down off the stands and tested. I can get it into reverse instantly, no issues [just that horrible squealing]. Drives great! ...can't disengage the gear. I shut it down, disengage the gear while turned off. Start it up! Fires up great Put it into first! It's back to the car I know and love. ...can't disengage it again. Shut it off. Disengage while off.
Has anyone ever heard of this? _________________ Ahoy! |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8699 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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When the car is running, if you push or pull on the shifter can you hear the servo/clutch disengage?
Does it otherwise shift normally when the engine is not running? _________________ Brian
'69 Dune Buggy
'69 Beetle Convertible
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71superAS Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:42 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, I'll rephrase. When the car is running, I can not move the shifter out of the position it is in once I put it into gear. When it is off, I can move it around freely, into any gear position. _________________ Ahoy! |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24735 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Have you cleaned the points in the shifter?? _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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Starr1969 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:54 am Post subject: |
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While I don't have an auto nor a 71... I do know in my manual for the 69 says if your auto stick won't shift, first thing to do is check the fuse (near coil in engine). 2nd step is to check all contacts, something may have come loose or a ground isn't grounded anymore. _________________ HERS: "Starr" 1969 toga white w/ sunroof
HIS: "Orange Crush" 1974 Super
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73 KAFER Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2007 Posts: 1385 Location: St. Marys, Pa.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:18 am Post subject: |
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There maybe an adjustment needed down by the clutch servo ( located down by the drivers side on the trans. ). It is a small adjustment but it is needed for propper working of the shifting on a Auto-Stick. Look in a Haynes or Bently manual and you will see how it is done. The symptoms would be: It shifts with the engine off but not with the engine running...which sounds like your problem.
Mark _________________ 1973 Beetle
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71superAS Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I can shift it INTO gear while the engine is running. I cannot change gears once I engage a gear. The stick will not move.
I did clean the points, I wirebrushed and scoured everything of any grease and dirt. I will check the clutch servo. It is at 2.5 threads, and the shifting is very responsive going into gear. The stick just won't move out to neutral unless I shut the car off. _________________ Ahoy! |
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:20 am Post subject: shifting problem |
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I assume you adjusted the contacts after your wiring repair?
The contacts can also be lightly filed Or, use some fine sandpaper
on a piece of wood... So the contacts are Flat
the spec for the Gap should be .010-.016 which,should be
close to a 1/2 turn of the lever from Full contact.
Make sure to tighten the lever assembly properly too! _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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71superAS Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Alrighty, I got the gear shifting solved. Runs like a top again. But that squealing happens if I put the car into reverse for a short bit of time. It also happened after I had parked the car and taken it out of gear. In neutral, when I clicked the key off, it squealed for the last couple cycles of the engine it seemed. Does not make this sound while in gear and driving.
Any ideas? _________________ Ahoy! |
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old DKP driver Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Los Gatos,Ca.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:33 pm Post subject: squeling noise |
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You still have a release bearing like a stick shift.
And a pilot bearing...And also a ball bearing that is in the bell housing _________________ V.W.owner since 1967 |
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73 KAFER Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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71superAS wrote: |
Alrighty, I got the gear shifting solved. Runs like a top again. But that squealing happens if I put the car into reverse for a short bit of time. It also happened after I had parked the car and taken it out of gear. In neutral, when I clicked the key off, it squealed for the last couple cycles of the engine it seemed. Does not make this sound while in gear and driving.
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What was your shifting problem, may I ask?
Mark _________________ 1973 Beetle
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71superAS Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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71superAS wrote: |
I'm sorry, I'll rephrase. When the car is running, I can not move the shifter out of the position it is in once I put it into gear. When it is off, I can move it around freely, into any gear position. |
That is fixed, now I can shift into gear and drive normally. Everything looks good now.
But I have a squealing when in reverse or when the engine is shutting down. Very peculiar. Probably worrisome? _________________ Ahoy! |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
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71superAS Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Oh I'm sorry. I pulled the shifter apart and reseated everything, I think the contact gap was off.
I also reseated the spade connector and confirmed the contacts are all clean as a bean. They are very clean.
The squealing worries me though. _________________ Ahoy! |
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73 KAFER Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:04 am Post subject: |
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I had the rivets on the flywheel come loose on me not too long ago, but it was more of a 'rattling' sound...but the rivets were really loose. I removed the 4 bolts that secure the torque converter to the flywheel off and I could move the flywheel aprox. an 1/8" inch of play. There are about 10 rivets on the flywheel and perhaps they are wearing ( loose ) and making the sound you are hearing. Just a suggestion. Replacing the flywheel is the fix for that, IF that is your problem.
Mark _________________ 1973 Beetle
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71superAS Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:16 am Post subject: |
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I'll just go drive it around the block and record myself doing it. I'll post it on youtube so you can all hear the sound. I've never heard anything like it, and that worries me. _________________ Ahoy! |
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71superAS Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFEtiVZunIs
There's a recording I just took, sorry about the crummy phone quality. Let me know what you think? _________________ Ahoy! |
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71superAS Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Bump. Sorry to seem annoying, just hoping someone has heard this before. _________________ Ahoy! |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
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71superAS Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:59 am Post subject: |
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You can't hear that squealing?? The picture sucks but the sound is right on. _________________ Ahoy! |
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