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EverettB Administrator
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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This is the outside surface
Outside surface
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Longboardluv Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2014 Posts: 934 Location: Austin TX
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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okay yes this is the same rubber that i have that doesn't have that semi circle that Everett is referring to. However in your pictures you can't tell which side is the inside and which side is the outside or where the flat side is.
Since it does sound like that the flat side needs to lay against the bus and the tapered side (in my case) needs to be facing the outside. Making this image below the wrong way to do it! Also meaning one of the first comments about this on page 1 of this thread stating "Flat side out" is wrong. That is the reason I did it wrong. Just read page one and did two of mine.
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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I added that photo above to the first post in this thread.
I agree "flat side out" is confusing.
I think of it as the little flat side that covers the frame edge goes to the outside but without that specific text or a photo or an original window to examine, it's easily confusing. _________________ How to Post Photos
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Longboardluv Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2014 Posts: 934 Location: Austin TX
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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yes it is confusing! I emailed WW and this was the reply.
"The extra lip on the seal faces outward as shown on the link below.
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=221847131A
So that's helps to explain it better. Thanks for all the help team aircooled! |
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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I added text to my pictures above.
I thought of it as the metal frame seals against the rubber in the body window opening making an "inner" seal, and the rubber on the perimeter of the pop out seals against the body making the "outer" seal. |
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nyr208 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 68 Location: Long Beach,NY
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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Was able to use ratchet straps and a towel to pull the windows closer together. Worked very well. _________________ 66 13 window bus (sold)
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rennie Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2016 Posts: 246 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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Just read this entire thread. Great info! The above link gives a perfect visual resolution to all the duplicate enquiries.
Drat... now I'm all geared up. Looks like I'll have to start on the one pop out I have with OG frame and glass. Fingers crossed that I don't discover what safety glass looks like! Moving sloooww... more later... |
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rennie Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2016 Posts: 246 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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Did my pop out. I was paranoid of this job in fear of breaking OG glass but this thread was *very helpful regarding little tricks and methods.
I might add:
Instead of completely/100% drilling out two of the old frame screws (lowers), I drilled a small hole in the screw and then used a screw extractor. This guaranteed not over-drilling the hole size for the 4mm re-tap, as well as keeping the hole on-center best as possible. Also, I didn't have to drill a larger hole for the 4mm tap and was able to tap it directly as it was as I thought perhaps rust may have weakened the hole walls enough to accept the 4mm tap... it worked perfectly. Local hdw store had the 4mm screws but had to get the 3.5mm from Wolfsburg West for the top screws.
Thanks to the thread mentioning some window logos do correctly appear reversed, I marked the glass orientation.
I didn’t paint the frame (fully OG paint/patina bus) but thought to comment on the above powder coating "too tight" issue. From the factory, the frames appear to have been painted *after assembly; there is no OG paint on the slider joint-touching surfaces. May be best to tape these areas (or fully scrape them) if re-painting. No paint = easier assembly.
I used baby powder as the ‘lube’. Frame slid together with 1/8” gap shy of full closure. I only used very tight bungy cords (wrapped around the long frame edges) to hold the frame pieces in place (didn’t have ratchet straps or clamps) while manually compressing the pieces closer together to rid the 1/8” gap. It definitely took a some might to close that gap but easily enough accomplished with minimal glass breaking risk.
The seals were from Wolfsburg West (1.5 yrs ago) and as mentioned in thread, the outer frame seal’s track width is too narrow and is a bit sloppy/moveable once insterted , however, the corners didn't pop out. Overall, the seals all fit very well.
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EverettB Administrator
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flemcadiddlehopper Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2011 Posts: 2332 Location: Kelowna, BC. Canada.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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I think that is the stuff. I've used it for many different applications, good stuff.
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14258 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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flemcadiddlehopper wrote: |
I think that is the stuff. I've used it for many different applications, good stuff.
Gordo. |
What do you guys think it is made out of? |
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flemcadiddlehopper Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2011 Posts: 2332 Location: Kelowna, BC. Canada.
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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Seems to be a waxy, gummy material, yet solid like a bar of soap. It's been around forever so it's doubtful that there is any silicone in it.
but if this helps... http://agscompany.com/resources/msds-sheets/ and you can make any sense of it.
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7047 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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silicone has been around forever, too, for over 100 years... _________________ regards
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14258 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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flemcadiddlehopper wrote: |
Seems to be a waxy, gummy material, yet solid like a bar of soap. It's been around forever so it's doubtful that there is any silicone in it.
but if this helps... http://agscompany.com/resources/msds-sheets/ and you can make any sense of it.
Gordo. |
Thanks. Says these are part numbers of Door Ease:
"CEK-3OL, DE-1, DE-2, DE-25, DE-3, DEB-2, DEB-3, DEC-3, DEK-3, DEK-3BK (765-1385), DEK-3H, DEP-1, DEP-3, DKC-3, DR-2, DR-2CH, DR-2GG, TA-2, TA-2ML, TM-2, TM-2BG, TM-2BR, TM-2PP, ZE-2 N/C, ZE-2CGC, ZE-2CS, ZE-2IS, ZE-2TD, ZE-2CGF"
Hmmmm, doesn't help, unless those are the parts that make up the product. Doubt it but if so then where is the key to those parts numbers. |
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flemcadiddlehopper Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2011 Posts: 2332 Location: Kelowna, BC. Canada.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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BarryL wrote: |
flemcadiddlehopper wrote: |
Seems to be a waxy, gummy material, yet solid like a bar of soap. It's been around forever so it's doubtful that there is any silicone in it.
but if this helps... http://agscompany.com/resources/msds-sheets/ and you can make any sense of it.
Gordo. |
Thanks. Says these are part numbers of Door Ease:
"CEK-3OL, DE-1, DE-2, DE-25, DE-3, DEB-2, DEB-3, DEC-3, DEK-3, DEK-3BK (765-1385), DEK-3H, DEP-1, DEP-3, DKC-3, DR-2, DR-2CH, DR-2GG, TA-2, TA-2ML, TM-2, TM-2BG, TM-2BR, TM-2PP, ZE-2 N/C, ZE-2CGC, ZE-2CS, ZE-2IS, ZE-2TD, ZE-2CGF"
Hmmmm, doesn't help, unless those are the parts that make up the product. Doubt it but if so then where is the key to those parts numbers. |
I think they are all chemical codes.....so I wouldn't eat it, no matter how thinly you slice it.
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FiveORacing Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2012 Posts: 15 Location: Jersey
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:06 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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Great thread. Getting reading to paint mine today. They are all prepped and primed. Going to use single stage auto paint, Question: Do you guys spray them screwed together or each half apart. Thanks! |
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rennie Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2016 Posts: 246 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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My vote would be spray them apart so that the seam edges get a little paint... but see my comments above about keeping paint off the tab insert areas.
If you paint them assembled then where the frame pieces meet/touch would be bare metal and could be prone to rust. Just my thoughts.
Having said all that, my frames are OG paint and they seem to have been painted assembled! My bus has been in a dry environment so it was lucky not to get much rust... |
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avocado_tom Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2007 Posts: 235 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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Does anyone know the screw specs for attaching the pop out windows to the hinge?
Mine were "not returned" when my bus came back from the body shop... |
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rennie Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2016 Posts: 246 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out Window Restoration |
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I believe they are M3.5 x .6 for the original size. If you have to re-tap them then M4 is what works.
I rang WW since I couldn't locally find the 3.5 for the hinge screws (which i didn't have to re-tap). They tossed them in an envelope for $2 and I had them in two days.
On their site they sell both the 3.5 and the 4... but what you'll use depends if you re-tap. |
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