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Howard 111 Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2005 Posts: 1827 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Jimmy 111, my brother's 2004 BMW motorcycle is a four-stroke flat twin, air-cooled with oil cooled exhaust ports, installed longitudinally,
4 valves per cylinder, two overhead
camshafts, electronic fuel injection.
Not inline or water-cooled. |
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hotair65 Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2007 Posts: 271 Location: Wakefield MA.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Pelikan wrote: |
tstracy39 wrote: |
Here's the pic I was looking for:
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Would something like this have real world benefits (such as increased fuel efficiency, etc), or is this a "for the hell of it" type of thing? |
that kind of looks like a motoguzzi motor?? _________________ "some people are like slinky's... they really have no use in life, but it makes you feel good when you push them down the stairs." |
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dog_jr911 Swamp Donkey Assistant
Joined: May 17, 2006 Posts: 2439 Location: 2.0.9
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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i think it would be more interesting to make a vw engine run on only two cylinders. _________________ AKA Chris™
ROCKIN a ESP LTD F2E |
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Jimmy111 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2006 Posts: 2643 Location: Wyoming
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Howard 111 wrote: |
Jimmy 111, my brother's 2004 BMW motorcycle is a four-stroke flat twin, air-cooled with oil cooled exhaust ports, installed longitudinally,
4 valves per cylinder, two overhead
camshafts, electronic fuel injection.
Not inline or water-cooled. |
Photo please. The 4 cylinder was not a boxer motor. it was a inline 4 laying down. Ok you got me, it was oil cooled. but not aircooled.
Here is a cutaway.
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tstracy39 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2008 Posts: 3294 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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hotair65 wrote: |
Pelikan wrote: |
tstracy39 wrote: |
Here's the pic I was looking for:
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Would something like this have real world benefits (such as increased fuel efficiency, etc), or is this a "for the hell of it" type of thing? |
that kind of looks like a motoguzzi motor?? |
It's a Moto Guzzi motor as installed in a Blackjack Zero kit car. Probably requires the purchase of the whole car but proves it can be done. On the kit car it's facing forward into the airstream, so there's no problems with cooling like there would be with it installed on a VW.
My photobucket is now set to private, nothing you can see there anyways that I haven't already posted in the abortions thread but thanks for looking. _________________ Check my classifieds for kewl gauges:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=tstracy39
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I like your fork. |
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tstracy39 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2008 Posts: 3294 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Think I might have found a solution to the cooling problem:
Kohler engines come with cooling tins and a flywheel fan already installed. The only problem is, top speed is 10MPH in 4th gear. _________________ Check my classifieds for kewl gauges:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=tstracy39
EverettB wrote: |
I like your fork. |
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micheloaks Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: Z cars |
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look at Z cars on the net, for the end in bike engined cars. Can do anything with cash. There main business has been minis and with turbo hayabusa motors with max power of 400BHP!!! great site |
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LvTitan Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2011 Posts: 57 Location: las Vegas
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Jimmy111 wrote: |
Howard 111 wrote: |
Jimmy 111, my brother's 2004 BMW motorcycle is a four-stroke flat twin, air-cooled with oil cooled exhaust ports, installed longitudinally,
4 valves per cylinder, two overhead
camshafts, electronic fuel injection.
Not inline or water-cooled. |
Photo please. The 4 cylinder was not a boxer motor. it was a inline 4 laying down. Ok you got me, it was oil cooled. but not aircooled.
Here is a cutaway.
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Looking at that motorcycle pic hard to tell if VW or stock. But to clear up a few things:
1. Yes there have been several motorcycle powered by vw that look just like one in picture.
2. BMW did in fact use air cooled opposed boxer type engines in countless bikes that were same basic layout as vw. |
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bug66 Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2010 Posts: 110 Location: OSLO, NORWAY
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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aircooled, bmw, boxer |
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NiccoHel Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2005 Posts: 136 Location: California
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Good grief, who woke the Kraken? _________________ 1969 Ghia Coupe
daily driver/resto custom |
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oarse Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2009 Posts: 530 Location: Washington DC
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
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I'll just leave this here.
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wompninja Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 2147 Location: Salt Lake City
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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I can't really confirm that's a VW engine since all you can see is the valve cover but this is what the R60 engine looks like. Check out the driveshaft, I love this bike.
_________________ Pics of my 1970 Satin Black Type 1 build |
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lostinbaja Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2004 Posts: 4036 Location: Frankfort, Illinois
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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I have had several BMW motorcycles over the years and consequently attended many BMW rallys. At one time it was quite common to install a ACVW engine in the bike in place of the BMW boxer twin. I have seen many of them make cross country trips with no issues.
I got rid of my Beemer boxer because I couldn't stand the heat on my feet, I can't imagine how hot 4 cylinders with more CC's can get on your feet.
From the article:
Along for the ride was a terrific looking Volkswagen-powered BMW, the creation of Bob Lester, of Fort Lauderdale.
It came by its patina honestly: he built it in 1977, mostly by looking at four other VW-BMW conversions in town at the time. His goal was to keep the motorcycle as stock as possible, resulting in a lot of double-takes from viewers. It really did resemble the classic BMW powered BMW on the ride.
It's no problem keeping the VW motor cool, Lester told me, because the motor doesn't build up much heat. It came from a VW bus. It's barely working to move the motorcycle. _________________ Jerry...
If it's being towed, it must be a trailer!
"Vee Grow Too Soon Oldt Und Too Late Schmardt"
RIP Morgan
My photos
http://www.manxgallery.org/gallery/album92 |
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4927 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Not to dredge up a dead post, but here's the info on the black BMW with VW engine swap...
http://w6rec.com/duane/bmw/BMW-VW/index.htm
Same pictures as the original post. The VW engine into BMW frame is a 'common' old timer swap...
FWIW -
bnc _________________ I never found the need to impress people with any mechanic certifications, trophies or track wins... unless it was for Mom to post on the refrigerator door. |
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808OvalGreasemonkey Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2010 Posts: 763 Location: Oahu
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:10 am Post subject: |
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There was a article in a vintage bike mag about a 356 Porsche engined one,and the batteries you have to carry (to start it) and the motor itself makes it a pig to drive,brake don't work well with the extra weight and the guy mentioned "counter steering" when having to make a turn! Said his legs get roasted since you got 4 cylinders of heat hitting your legs!
Here is a pic of my Bimmer bike,the way they were meant to be. I just love my boxer motors
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earthquake Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2008 Posts: 3984 Location: SANDY VALLEY, NEVADA
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:14 am Post subject: |
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You could allways put the motor from a "Boss Hoss" in your Bug. I have seen a few of them done, there about 5700 cc's.
Casey _________________ 74 CLASS 11 LOOK-A-LIKE
69 DUNE BUGGY
79 INTERNATIONAL SCOUT II
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95 Chevy C3500 dually
98 Ford E150
Link to Kelly J. Nolte 3/20/53 - 11/6/08
https://time-zonelabs.blogspot.com/p/about-kelly.html
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JasonBaker Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2010 Posts: 1642 Location: Cleveland, TN
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:32 am Post subject: |
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There's probably more running on 2 cylinders than you think.
dog_jr911 wrote: |
i think it would be more interesting to make a vw engine run on only two cylinders. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:36 am Post subject: |
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a few years ago somebody had an adapter to put a harly motor in a bug.I could see a bug motor in a harly but not the other way around. |
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HRVW Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2011 Posts: 2531 Location: Rosarito, Mexico
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Someone mentioned a 2 cyl VW engine possibility.
As a VW shop owner back in 1979 I had many old parts laying in the scrap pile waiting for disposal. On a sat afternoon got the idea of the 2 cyl engine.
Welded up a couple crank journals, used rods, used bearings, two used pistons/cyls, two junk SP heads, warped engine case...assembled with new gskts from broken gskt sets. Used #1 and #3 on the case.
Sheet metal, SP intake manifold, old clutch and pressure plate and installed the engine into a 70 T1 bug.
Drove it down the fwy at 35 mph. Slow getting there due to the car weight but the combination might have worked in a small trike etc,
Never did try anything else over the yrs. |
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southysuper Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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It isa VW engine in a BMW bike. there was a yahoo group a few years ago, but I cannot find it now. This guy has done the conversion and can probably provide more info. To the best of my memory the frame was modified to account for the increased length of the VW engine.
http://w6rec.com/duane/bmw/BMW-VW/index.htm
An adapter was used to keep the original BMW trans.
They ended up being a wider than the original bike because of the engine, but proved more reliable.
I would still like to find an adapter for a v2 to vw trans other than blackjack or Z cars. |
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