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guzzirider
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 Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: 914 rack and pinion steering in a 74 standard bug |
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| I have left over 914 steering rack. How big of a pain would this be to put in my 74 bug?? |
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Mark33563
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: 914 rack and pinion steering in a 74 standard bug |
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| guzzirider wrote: |
| I have left over 914 steering rack. How big of a pain would this be to put in my 74 bug?? |
I have often thought of performing the same change that you are thinking about.
If I remember correctly, the bottom of the gas tank is in the way unless you offset it towards the driver's side. But that would screw up the geometry. But them I was thnking of mouning the rack up close to the fire wall, similar to how it is in a 914. Perhaps placing it closer to the beam would solve the conflict. I never really got too deep into it.
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Russ Wolfe
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Why??
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guzzirider
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: why not |
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| Rack and Pinion steering, with more direct feed back |
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Mark33563
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Why have a car that several million other people have?
The task at hand:
A R&P system would complicate things, that is the main reason I have not done it. Just on a cursury level, the area where there steering wheel assembly would bolt to would need reinforcing, then there is the routing and custom fabricating of the steering column (u-joints, rods, etc.), then the fabricating of a mounting system for the rack itself......
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clay ford
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| that would be cool you could by an after market tank that is cylindrical that wont get in the way . |
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fastinradford
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| 209slushee209 wrote: |
| that would be cool you could by an after market tank that is cylindrical that wont get in the way . |
You can buy them anywhere, it's called a steel drum, they're cheap too. |
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didget69
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Company offering rack & pinion steering for Beetles...
http://www.classic-centrum.de/Kaefer_Lenkung_1.htm
Of course, I only speak Engrish... 
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Fattie
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sweet
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Bruce
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This is the way to go:
A huge benefit is the increased length of the left tie rod. This reduces bump steer significantly.
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guzzirider
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: is there an us out let for these |
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is there a us distributor for this?
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rzepko6194
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Babel fish translation of website:
a steering rack kit for VOLKSWAGEN, developed again on the market, offers beetles and Kamann Gia with ball joint axle. This Lekungskit can be blocked also with vehicles with clevis pin axle. Our appraisal is valid only for vehicles with ball joint axle. An entry by single decrease is possible by our enterprise. This kit offers the advantage of a lighter, more stable steering element. By the same long tie rods it comes to a better stability with Lenkmanöver.Der kit completely with tie rods, TÜV appraisal and detailed fitting instruction is supplied and can also of a non-specialist be very well blocked. The steering column must be in-shortened, in order to weld an admission for an universal joint. This can be usually taken over in the context of the service of us, if you send us your developed steering column. This service is in the price inbegiffen, it results jediglich forwarding expenses for the customer, if the steering column is dispatched at us. We take over the back transmission costs. The Umschweissarbeiten should be taken over in any case of a framework place, if you do not want to take our service in Ansruch, then the necessary part in the kit is directly provided. Operating range: Fz. - Type 11 all vehicles starting from Id.Nr: 11600001 beetles Fz. - Typ14 all vehicles starting from Id.Nr: 147000001 Karmann Technical consultation and installation assistance ask only by telephone under: 06825/45511 Mr. Huwig or Mr. Zimmer.
What the hell is an "Umschweissarbeiten"? 
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gregthomas
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| What the hell is an "Umschweissarbeiten"? :roll:JP |
Best I can come up with... schweiss arbeiten -- welding work
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Mark33563
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That should not be had to reproduce (famous last words) or create. They are just using one end of the rack.
Looks like Super Beetle tie rods.
Interesting.
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Bruce
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I'd like to know what car that rack comes from. Anyone recognise it?
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Mark33563
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Bruce wrote: |
| I'd like to know what car that rack comes from. Anyone recognise it? |
It sort of looks like a Pinto/Mustang II rack with the driver side cut down.
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didget69
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Bruce
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Forget the Super Beetle rack, it won't work.
The little arms on the spindles of a Super are ahead of the axle centerline, not behind. A Super rack would make the wheels steer the wrong direction when you turn the steering wheel.
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didget69
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| Bruce wrote: |
Forget the Super Beetle rack, it won't work.
The little arms on the spindles of a Super are ahead of the axle centerline, not behind. A Super rack would make the wheels steer the wrong direction when you turn the steering wheel. |
Phhhhsssshhh! It would just make the driving more exciting...
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