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drpete Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2004 Posts: 780 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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I had a similar problem with the choke cable in my '60 bus. Time and patience and a lot of Kroil helped. I even put an air compressor line and tried blowing some of the Kroil up in there. Another trick taught to me...take another piece of choke casing (the coiled wire) and push it up into the tube and turn it slowly with a drill attached. The idea isn't to drill out the line, but to catch (hook) the end of the broken cable in there with your piece, then pull slowly. If you can get the end out of the tube just a little, you can start to work it. I got mine out over the course of a few weeks, piece by little piece. Each time I got some of the wiring in the casing exposed, I'd pull as much as possible, then use my drill on it at slow speed and go forward and reverse and pulling to slowly dislodge. Mine broke at least 5-6 times, so I would re-hook it and pull. It'll come. Just takes time. You might want to try some of that really good Tequila John talked about in another thread _________________ Happy to be alive. Hey Dad, Mom, wish you were here to see all this.
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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I've never found it locally, always order it online. I get one spray can and one "liquid" can. _________________ John Henry
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VWwerks Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 207 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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You have to get it online, if stores carried it they would never sell another can of WD40 or PB blaster, etc. EVER. _________________ www.VWwerks.com |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
You have to get it online, if stores carried it they would never sell another can of WD40 or PB blaster, etc. EVER. |
LOL. So true.... (although WD-40 is the best "shop" hand cleaner I have found....) _________________ John Henry
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Splitdog Samba Split Personality
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 4125 Location: Planet VW
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Where's locally? I know a store here in orange County that carries it. _________________ CH³NO²
Z = z² + C
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: choke cable |
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i am not as patient or as anel as most, i guess. i just ran a newer choke cable in a black sheithing under all my carpet down the side of the center hump and into the engine compartment about a dozen years ago on my Zwitter and it looks great cause you can't see it, is out of the weather and still works fine. Just because an original design may suck, doesn't mean i will perpetuate that flaw. |
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drpete Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2004 Posts: 780 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Splitdog wrote: |
Where's locally? I know a store here in orange County that carries it. |
I bought some in Santa Cruz..... _________________ Happy to be alive. Hey Dad, Mom, wish you were here to see all this.
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JorgeDavidson Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2008 Posts: 358 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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I have a similar problem in left heather tube. I can see the point of the cable inside the heather control tower. If PDblaster doesn´t work, and WD40 is only useful as a hand soap... wich´s the best way to replace any chassis tube? Please, make a tutorial w/ pics and go Sticky!!! _________________ 1957 Oval Window - Polar Silver L324
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: |
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We had a similar problem with the heater cable tube. A combination of RostOff, a length of old clutch cable and a drill worked wonders to clean out the tube.
Load the tube with a rust inhibitor of your choice (Kroil, PB Blaster, RostOff...) thread the clutch cable (or other similar stiff stranded wire) down the tube and attach the end in the drill (like a drill bit).
Operate the drill in whatever direction you need to to keep the cable turning in the direction it was wound so it frays just enough at the end to provide a wire wheel of sorts. Work the cable in and out while operating the drill a a low speed. Keep applying the rust inhibitor.
I did this with all the tubes on a 55 and 49 chassis we were restoring and it really did the trick. No more rusty stuff coming out the tubes, especially the fuel line.
The other thing I would recommend is to pressure test each line once they are open. Use a long snouted air line and something to block off the other end. Wouldn't want to find a rusted through fuel line. |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: |
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nlorntson wrote: |
We had a similar problem with the heater cable tube. A combination of RostOff, a length of old clutch cable and a drill worked wonders to clean out the tube.
Load the tube with a rust inhibitor of your choice (Kroil, PB Blaster, RostOff...) thread the clutch cable (or other similar stiff stranded wire) down the tube and attach the end in the drill (like a drill bit).
Operate the drill in whatever direction you need to to keep the cable turning in the direction it was wound so it frays just enough at the end to provide a wire wheel of sorts. Work the cable in and out while operating the drill a a low speed. Keep applying the rust inhibitor.
I did this with all the tubes on a 55 and 49 chassis we were restoring and it really did the trick. No more rusty stuff coming out the tubes, especially the fuel line.
The other thing I would recommend is to pressure test each line once they are open. Use a long snouted air line and something to block off the other end. Wouldn't want to find a rusted through fuel line. |
HOW DID YOU SQUEEZE A CLUTCH CABLE IN TO THE FUEL LINE? the original fuel line is copper not metal as well, only neeed to worry about varnish blocking it _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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JorgeDavidson Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2008 Posts: 358 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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I was working today on my choke tube; no PDBlaster, no drills or dremel w/cables worked. I cut it 3 inc. before the rear outside, just under the gearshift coupler cover. When I saw the inside of tube, I thought in all the time I spent:
Removing it from the 3in piece of tube was a nightmare. The choke wrapping broke in pieces when I tried to pull. Finally it got out w/ a hammer and a rod (just imagine doin´ that in the whole tube!!!) The plastic that cover the wrapping is still compriming out the tube and rusty wrapping. Impossible job for any penetrating oil...
In short, I´ll don´t think twice: cleaning it (in my car) is not possible. The final solution is removing the old tube and don´t get mad. I was too greasy to take the camera to the garage, but tonight I´ll take some pics to show you what I´m talking about...
Ask: The choke cable is wrapped and coated... what if I put it inside the channel without any tube (just catched to accelerator or clutch tube)??? _________________ 1957 Oval Window - Polar Silver L324
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VWwerks Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 207 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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You could just zip tie it to the clutch tube. Get really long zip ties and tie it by the pedal assembly hole, shifter hole, and rear trans hole. I have put in new fuel lines this way also. _________________ www.VWwerks.com |
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JorgeDavidson Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2008 Posts: 358 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
You could just zip tie it to the clutch tube. Get really long zip ties and tie it by the pedal assembly hole, shifter hole, and rear trans hole. I have put in new fuel lines this way also. |
Yes Jim, It´s just that I thought!!!... it´s easyer to weld a new tube, and functional. And forget rusted tubes. See mine:
This is the same pic (cut´s detail):
As you can see, it´s impossible to remove two meters of this wrapping... _________________ 1957 Oval Window - Polar Silver L324
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bill may Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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guteandtite wrote: |
the original fuel line is copper not metal as well, only neeed to worry about varnish blocking it |
original is copper plated steel. try a magnet and it will stick to steel but not copper. copper is a metal,but is non-ferrous by the way. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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JorgeDavidson Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2008 Posts: 358 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: |
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bill may wrote: |
guteandtite wrote: |
the original fuel line is copper not metal as well, only neeed to worry about varnish blocking it |
original is copper plated steel. try a magnet and it will stick to steel but not copper. copper is a metal,but is non-ferrous by the way. |
Cooper and steel (iron) are metal (Wiki: "Steel is an alloy consisting mostly of iron, with a carbon content between 0.2% and 2.14% by weight (C:110–10Fe), depending on grade. Carbon is the most cost-effective alloying material for iron, but various other alloying elements are used such as manganese, chromium, vanadium, and tungsten.)
As cooper is easy to bend, so most fuel line replacements are cooper lines. That´s why a lot of VW owner´s think the OG fuel line is (was) cooper; included me, before read this thread . _________________ 1957 Oval Window - Polar Silver L324
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Bart Dunn Samba Consiglieri
Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2354 Location: Sea level (Mid Atlantic)
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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If you don't have an end to grab onto you would need to replace the tube, which can be done but that is a day long job.
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So, what's a good source for replacement tubes for the choke cable tube? I've soaked that thing for weeks with PB Blaster, and then Kroil, and can't get it to budge. _________________ Not enough car seats fit into my:
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VWwerks Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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mcmaster.com
Search steel tubing.
Jim _________________ www.VWwerks.com |
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Motorhead55 Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2007 Posts: 468 Location: California U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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guteandtite wrote: |
can anyone tell me where to buy kroil LOCALLY? i can only find a website that sells it! hmmm. im in san diego, ca. any big box stores carry it? |
My NAPA auto parts store carries it. Check your local NAPA. They can probably order it. GOOD stuff! _________________ 2007 Dodge Cummins Diesel 4x4 6spd stick
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Snort Samba Member
Joined: April 02, 2005 Posts: 1957 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen people talk about replacing this tube, but I don't understand how it is done without taking apart the floorpan tunnel. Does anyone have any photos or explanation on how this is done? I've been soaking my cable for over a year now, and it still will not budge. |
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