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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: ID plates for sale? Reply with quote

Seems that 2009 is looking to be the year of ID plates for sale for early/rare busses. In the UK this is seen as pretty much illegal really, as there is no vehicle to 'recognise' the identity, I was wondering on what people on here thought of someone who would buy an ID to 'make up' a matching vehicle?

My opinion? Yes, that vehicle did exist in the past, but I wouldnt feel comfortable with creating a reproduction of it really, kinda defeats the object of owning an old/rare v-dub I think.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking exactly the same thing, surely it's not a good idea to be selling ID tags to these rare old buses.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it smells. where are the ones for sale?

VIN 20-020752
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VIN-plate-from-early-1952-RH...240%3A1318
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=336002
ad seemed to be aimed at the UK market!
£150^? this VINs value is as a coffee table talking piece, £25
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's wrong!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly different but i used a new blank one for the 58 Westy i had. I had the chassis number from the body and the birth cert so i was happy to do it. You can also buy blanks for 356's.
The bus ones pop up on ebay from time to time, i think as a collectable they are fine but should not be used to clone a bus that was made over 50 years ago...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im a bit o hater of that like,but if somone does it fair enough its upto them but dare go selling as an original! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

..what's to stop someone putting one on a completely 'new' bus- built from Gerson panels- & selling it as completely restored? Confused Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting and good debate. I am the seller of one of these IDs. From the bus I cut up - I also have the whole rear 2 feet of the bus... rear window, engine lid and roof. Hanging on my"trophy wall". If I included that with the ID - would it then be considered a "restoration" and be morally right? Where do you draw the line...?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the biggest concern is a bus could be stolen to order and given a new identity for the price of a £150 vin number bought off ebay and then sold for thousands to some unsuspecting buyer. This was happening constantly with Harley Davidsons here in the UK, people were paying well over the odds for a Harley frame with log book to use the identity on a stolen bike or even buying the far cheaper 2 stroke harleys and using that log book on a stolen Harley.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is an interesting question, particularly when a lot of the finds in Europe now have less and less good metal attached, my own deluxe is included in this list! For a rare bus, it now seems normal to replace the entire chassis between the axles, along with complete new sides, replacement roof, new front etc. I guess with these, the framework, or original rectangle of a bus remains, so that is the decisive point? Then again, the top half deluxe busses that are being found and are being restored have a healthy debate going on about them too.

I am not saying it is wrong to restore a bus that starts out as 10% of a bus, as long as it is recognised as one of these busses rather than mostly OG. I was thinking that a few years down the line it would be difficult to tell the difference, but then I think back to the '51/'54 deluxe that is in Japan, this bus is still recognised as a mix of 2 busses and it was done some years ago, I tend to forget how small the global barndoor scene is.

I think Tonny's register is an excellent record and help for checking any bus out, so as long as the person who is in the market for a barndoor is aware that these kind of busses can exist, then recognising them shouldnt be a problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: bd Reply with quote

Why not...my opinion is.. if you found old kdf or küpel or shwimmingwagen somewhere Lapland in Skandinavia or Sahara and no papers or ID what can i do....send every metalshit to China and they make some shit cars or somebody have ID papers and i can make a car and drive to some meetings to Europe or Us and drink one beer..with vw friends..This is hobby only,,dont take so hard this shit ..many vw gyus or womens here.. not have so many years left...enjoy your life friends and yours Barndoors..if you have one. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: bd Reply with quote

Typetoo wrote:
Why not...my opinion is.. if you found old kdf or küpel or shwimmingwagen somewhere Lapland in Skandinavia or Sahara and no papers or ID what can i do....send every metalshit to China and they make some shit cars or somebody have ID papers and i can make a car and drive to some meetings to Europe or Us and drink one beer..with vw friends..This is hobby only,,dont take so hard this shit ..many vw gyus or womens here.. not have so many years left...enjoy your life friends and yours Barndoors..if you have one. Very Happy


This is true, some things are just so rare to pass up! Very Happy For example:

http://www.vw166.com/restorations/a_restoration4.htm

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150320575509

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

49barndoor wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150320575509

£170 Shocked


I wonder where that plate will end up. That's a lot of money for an ornament.....
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49barndoor wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150320575509

£170 Shocked


wish i had the cash,that would have looked good in a frame above my toilet in the bathroom Razz

save it from something or let it become history
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar thought.... http://forums.pre67vw.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=16480

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotty wrote:
49barndoor wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150320575509

£170 Shocked


I wonder where that plate will end up. That's a lot of money for an ornament.....


I hear a rumor the guy that bought the tag has been asking where abouts your bus parks on a night Scotty Shocked ......... Laughing
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49barndoor wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150320575509

£170 Shocked



I put one on ebay from a 54 in better condition, with total and direct dontaion of the final bid to support this site and nobody couldnt bid more than $12.00US Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

49barndoor wrote:
Scotty wrote:
49barndoor wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150320575509

£170 Shocked


I wonder where that plate will end up. That's a lot of money for an ornament.....


I hear a rumor the guy that bought the tag has been asking where abouts your bus parks on a night Scotty Shocked ......... Laughing


Hahaha
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, its pretty messed up to re-use them.

But.. to flip it on its head,

Can you get tags reproduced to replace damaged or lost tags from know numbered buses?
Surely someone must do them due to all the 100 point resto cars running a nice shinny tag?
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