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GatorJZ Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 473 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
Also...as for the exerpt from tehe article about oil barth air-cleaners being superior to pleated....that is incorrect. Or...only partically correct.
All oil bath air cleaners...are always more restrictive than pleated filters for airflow because of the directional changes. The turbulence created by air directional changes is precisely why they actually DO filter better than the "average" pleated filter. The only reason they do not overly restrict our engines is because our oil bath filters are quite a bit oversized for each engine application that they go onto. This is partly why there are so many sizes and designs of oil bath filters for VW's. Ray |
This is only partially correct. Oil bath cleaners filter large particles as well as a modern paper filter, but oil bath cleaners are inferior to paper filters in small particle efficiency. There are several threads on this topic at Bob Is the Oil Guy, some with links to actual SAE J726C testing method results (rather than someone's recollection of an article they read) as well as used oil analysis results, all coming to this conclusion. Oil bath cleaners are superior in the amount of dirt they can hold, but that is their only area of superiority. _________________ 1973 Sports Bug (Super) |
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68IHscout Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2010 Posts: 3122 Location: santa ana ca
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Just wondering ,does I have to be 30weight oil ,or can any engine oil be used? Thanks |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Any engine oil is fine. Clean oil is best. |
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68IHscout Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2010 Posts: 3122 Location: santa ana ca
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Randy in Maine wrote: |
Any engine oil is fine. Clean oil is best. |
thanks.... yup new oil it is! |
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50 Kafer Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2006 Posts: 243 Location: Leavenworth, Kansas
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dualref Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2007 Posts: 251 Location: Spring, TX
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jlex wrote: |
TSP stands for tri sodium phosphaste. It's the active ingredient in laundry detergent. Can be purchased at most hardware stores. (I'd just save the money and use the dry type laundry detergent instead). |
No it isn't. TSP is sold in hardware stores to be used to take the gloss off of walls before painting. If you washed your clothing in it, your clothes would fade a lot. So since TSP is a cleaner-degreaser this may be what you want to use.
STPP is the stuff used in laundry detergent. It is used to soften the water so your detergent can work better. You can buy it from chemical stores. 2 teaspoons per load of laundry or 1 tsp per load of dishes in the dishwasher. |
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AirCooledArtifacts Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2007 Posts: 804 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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50 Kafer wrote: |
I'll just throw this in, there is a guy in Ca. offering rebuild services for '67 oil bath cleaners. www.1967beetle.com |
Yep, that's me. Please let me know if I can be of any help. _________________ Eric Shoemaker, Owner
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tikitime Samba Member
Joined: December 12, 2006 Posts: 443 Location: New Westminster, BC, Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Aussiebug wrote: |
The twin inlet oval cleaner shown in the pics above is the 68 version. In most countries it had a wire-pull device working the warm air flap system. The wire looped down to the right side flap mechanism inside the shroud (a small crank poked through the tinware), so the air cleaner got air from the right cylinder bank until it warmed up and the flaps opened, which then pulled the wire and switched to cold air intake. Other methods of operating the flap may have been used in other countries.
With the two-inlet 68 air cleaner, the left inlet is normally shut and only opens via a weighted flap when the airflow is high. It is always a cold air inlet.
The pull-wire system was also used on the 69, 70 and 71 cars with the oval oil bath air cleaner (one larger inlet on the right side).
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munana1 Samba Member
Joined: July 25, 2010 Posts: 2 Location: SEATTLE
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:51 am Post subject: Oil bath filter |
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If you don't feel comfortable cleaning your filter, there is a website that offers to go through it completely or you buy one from them almost brand new for around $225.00 , the website is: 1967beetle.storevny.com |
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AirCooledArtifacts Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2007 Posts: 804 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Oil bath filter |
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munana1 wrote: |
If you don't feel comfortable cleaning your filter, there is a website that offers to go through it completely or you buy one from them almost brand new for around $225.00 , the website is: 1967beetle.storevny.com |
Thanks for the plug. Yes, I'm the one that offers this service. I can restore any unit, but I have a special interest in the '67 Beetle. I have restored units in stock that are ready to ship. Please let me know if I can be of any service. Info below. _________________ Eric Shoemaker, Owner
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minimember Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2013 Posts: 119 Location: cupertino
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:15 pm Post subject: oil bath filter question!!! |
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I have a quick question on a VW that I recently purchased. It has an oil bath filter that has two valves... the weighted one and the cable. From what I read the cable is suppose to control the valve that lets in heat from around the exhaust, and the weighted controls the fresh air flow, yes??? Ok, so I don't have a cable hooked up to that valve and their is no hose attached to that inlet for it. I also noticed that the weighted valve was installed incorrect, so that it was closed at all times...yikes!!!
I'm not going worry about installing the cable right now because I live in a pretty much continuous warm climate, and I was able to get the weighted valve out and installed properly (so that the flow of air opens the valve and not keeping it closed)
My main question is this: Should I make the cable valve stay open or closed for my needs right now?...As it rests right now, with no cable attached the valve wants to stay open and allow air in from the end of the housing...i'm not sure what function that serves, and if it would be better left closed. I also assume that I should block the warm air inlet for the exhaust hose as well...help help help |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Make it stay open.
From Rob and Dave:
http://www.vw-resource.com/air_cleaner.html#pull
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If the pull wire is missing, and the cooling flaps inside the shroud will probably be missing too (should get them replaced as soon as you can - they are quite important for fast and EVEN warmups), then the flap in the air inlet should be fixed open. It will mean the engine is a little rough when cold, but the engine only needs warm air for the initial warmup period, then it should be running on cold air with the heat riser under the manifold providing the necessary heat to stop icing etc. |
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AirCooledArtifacts Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2007 Posts: 804 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
Make it stay open.
From Rob and Dave:
http://www.vw-resource.com/air_cleaner.html#pull
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If the pull wire is missing, and the cooling flaps inside the shroud will probably be missing too (should get them replaced as soon as you can - they are quite important for fast and EVEN warmups), then the flap in the air inlet should be fixed open. It will mean the engine is a little rough when cold, but the engine only needs warm air for the initial warmup period, then it should be running on cold air with the heat riser under the manifold providing the necessary heat to stop icing etc. |
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ROCKOROD71 Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2012 Posts: 2770 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:41 am Post subject: |
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"I was able to get the weighted valve out and installed properly"
How the hell did you do this? I have asked others with no response. I have spent many wasted hours attemping to pull the flaps out, trying to be careful not to break the plastic inserts that hold them in...I just don't get it. Do I have to pry apart the entire lower half of the oil bath to work on these flaps??? _________________ 1971 STD BEETLE- DD-1st car, 1st love. keepin' it stock! 1600DP, Solex 34-3 Mexi Bosch SVDA Dist NOW w/POINTS
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79SuperVert wrote: |
30 years from now, the next guy may not want your girlfriend, but he may want your classic car, depending on how nice you were to it. |
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Careful guys, a petulant child can grow up to be president these days. |
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AirCooledArtifacts Samba Member
Joined: March 30, 2007 Posts: 804 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:14 am Post subject: |
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ROCKOROD71 wrote: |
"I was able to get the weighted valve out and installed properly"
How the hell did you do this? I have asked others with no response. I have spent many wasted hours attemping to pull the flaps out, trying to be careful not to break the plastic inserts that hold them in...I just don't get it. Do I have to pry apart the entire lower half of the oil bath to work on these flaps??? |
You just have to take it slow. I've restored a ton of these now, and I know first hand how hard it can be. Just take your time. Wiggle a bit and they pop right out. _________________ Eric Shoemaker, Owner
Air-Cooled Artifacts, LLC (formerly, Lane Russell)
“Reviving Classic Volkswagens”
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1970VWGUY Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2013 Posts: 864 Location: Natrona Heights, PA
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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My problem is...since I just bought the car and everything was already done...I have no idea if the fan housing flaps are even there...since it's southern car...the guy that did the motor may have eliminated them.
Do you think it's a possibility that anyone rebuilding an engine would remove the flaps..aren't they somewhat critical to the overall operation? |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2012 Posts: 11740 Location: Redding, CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Look under the engine on the passenger side. You'll be looking in the area just under where the heads and cylinders join. You can see the four pushrod tubes there also. There is, hopefully, a piece of engine tin that's blocking most of your sight line--but you can see up in there from the back, okay.
Between the pushrod tubes there will be a rod that's attached to a small, round accordian-type gizmo. It's about the size of an egg--but barrel-shaped. That's your engine thermostat. If you don't have this arrangement, you probably don't have the shroud flaps that the thermostat regulates.
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aprophet Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2013 Posts: 78 Location: chesapeake bay
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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erokCom wrote: |
50 Kafer wrote: |
I'll just throw this in, there is a guy in Ca. offering rebuild services for '67 oil bath cleaners. www.1967beetle.com |
Yep, that's me. Please let me know if I can be of any help. |
do the oil bath filters fit super beetle 1600 dp engines ?? |
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vamram Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 7304 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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aprophet wrote: |
do the oil bath filters fit super beetle 1600 dp engines ?? |
Yep. Make sure you use one correct for your year, no earlier than a '71. Also depends on the type of pre-heat connection your car uses. Lots of info - w/pictures - on that in the forums if you do a search. _________________ Eventually, "we are what we pretend to be.’”
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air-h2o-air Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Many decades ago...a beer distributor bought several(at least 10, I cant remember) Type II trucks for their deliveries. Upon a very short period of time..EVERY truck had the engine wiped out...cyl walls scored, pistons ate up severely. What was the cause? GRIT in the engines....the area these trucks were operated was Arkansas..that area has a very very fine silt that blows through the air. Back then many roads were not paved which also created more of this fine silt in the air. Where did this grit come from??? Right through the air filter. As stated about oil bath air filters for many many decades..they filter large rocks and that is about it. You may ask as to why I tell such a story? I worked at 424-000...many will know what those 6 numbers mean. |
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