63 rear tin

[Humanure]

Will the oem, 63 only tin, fit 1600 engines? I just got a rear tin that has the preheat hole on the left side (which is why I need it,) but the tin doesn't line up with my 1600 heat risers; they are about 3/4 off. I suspect this tin if from a Bug with an earlier engine.

If an oem, 63 Bus rear tin won't fit, are there tins available from later years (Bug or Bus) that will fit and have the preheat hole on the left side? Or should I just cut a hole for preheat in a tin that fits?

I'm trying to finish up with the addition of an oil bath air cleaner and I'm stuck with this last obstacle. Thanks for any help.
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[Clara]

No, an og 63 tin is for a 40hp and won't fit a 1600, as it is too narrow.
You can find an early 1500 bus tin with pre-heat hole on the left, or a later one with pre-heat on the right. Then there's the late 66/67 1500 tin has no pre-heat holes as the pre-heat tube runs forward through the front tin and pipes off the right side heater box.
If you use a 68& later tin for with a 2" pre-heat hole it won't match up perfectly with the earlier tin under the crank pulley, assuming you have the early tin there. So make a 'patch' piece to cover the hole, if you go that route temporarily.

Happily, this is a part that is easily swapped out later.
If you don't have the correct one handy, you can use a different 1500/1600 rear tin for now.

Here's a powdercoated set of tin for a 1600 with doghouse for my Dad's '63 truck. It's a bit fussy finding every piece in nice condition.

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[Humanure]

Thanks for the help, Clara.
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[nlorntson]

Old post, but I'm curious if the beetle 63 rear tin with the left side preheat hole will line up with a bus 1500 SP and heater boxes?

EDIT:

I think I answered my own question. It looks like the stroke on a 1500 versus 1200 (40hp) is longer so it seems like that would mean the 40 hp rear tin would be too narrow for a 1500.

So if this is the case, there must be a special 1500 SP tin for the 63 bus with the pre heat hose on the left side? Sounds fun to try and find...

[Big Bill]

My 63 bus has a Dual Port 1600 in it, but has the correct 1500 tin that fits very nice. Pre-heat hole on the left. I believe that 63(1500 option)was the only year that had the hole on the left.

[EverettB]

[nlorntson]

How can I distinguish between the 40hp and 1500 version? They look very similar in the ads.

[templeofspeed]

The 1966 1300 beetle tin is an option, same as the early 1500 type 2...may be easier to find.
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[nlorntson]

Pictures to compare would be helpful.

[Eric&Barb]

[Eric&Barb]

Here from a search of the "Gallery" for "Rear Tin" in the "Parts/Accessories-49-67-Bus" category. Posted by Clara.

"40hp vs 1500 rear engine tin
Clara
Both of these ones have a left hole for 1" pre-heat tube.

They look very similar, but the 40hp version will NOT fit on a 1600.
The heat riser areas are closer together on the 40hp tin (black in pic)
There is a bump in the tin near the pre-heat hole, but the 1600 tin (dirty in pic) has a bump on he side w/o the pre-heat hole as well."

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[nlorntson]

Perfect Eric&Barb. Just what I needed. Thank you!

[Eric&Barb]

No problemo!
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[nlorntson]

OK, I thought I had found the 1963 1-Ton (1500cc) rear tin I needed (bottom piece) based on the left side preheat hole and the "bump" shown to be on both sides in Eric&Barbs post above.

While this piece does appear to be the same as the dirty one in Eric&Barb's picture, it is too narrow between the heat risers to fit a 1500. It does fit a 40hp. I think the real difference might be a greater amount of space between the right side fresh air hose hole and the edge by the pulley. You can see this in the picture below if you compare the location of the larger fresh air holes on the left side of the picture (right side when in the car)

The other piece in my picture with no heat riser cut outs does seem to fit the 1500 width wise but I understand based on Clara's description that it must be a late 66/67 1500 tin since it has no pre-heat holes.

I've looked for a while and not seen the elusive 1500 1-Ton 1963 only tin so I was contemplating removing the heat riser pieces from the 40hp piece and adding them to the 66/67 piece along with the proper heat riser cut outs, preheat hole and pulley cover bolt boss.

Sound doable?

[joe cool]

That's not '66/'67 it is something different, dual carb?
Preheat and heat riser are different things. Preheat warms the intake air. Heat riser warms the carb to prevent icing. '66/'67 is only missing preheat hole. preheat through front tin.

[Clara]

The difference that matters is the distance between the heat riser spaces.

The bumps don't seem to be important, as you now realise.

I would not cut and weld, it seems more of a hassle than it's worth. I would continue to look at shows, and place a wanted ad on the samba.
Carry a 1600 intake with you if needed to check if it is 40hp or 1600.

[BarryL]

[Humanure]

Here is one that just popped up in the classifieds.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/index.php
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[EverettB]

[Humanure]

Grr, that was the first time I posted with my tablet and didn't realize my copy and paste skills suck on it.
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