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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might need to show examples of m-code plates and where the number fit beside the app.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent pickle,

I worked out the M-plate last year, and your applet matches it perfectly, except I made the production date October 6th, 1972, but I am probably wrong.

32 NNN NNN

070751 A41 172 506
40 5 7033 EN 2140 31


Decode Results:
Production Date: October 12, 1972
Exported To: England
Designation: Delivery van
Engine KW (BHP): 51 (70); 49 (66)
Transmission Type: manual
Engine: 251
Transmission Code: -
Extras Code: -
Paint / Interior
Paint Scheme: brilliant orange
Paint Codes: L20B
Paint Notes:
Interior Scheme: dark beige
Interior Material: leatherette
Interior Notes:
Options
A41: Specifications for Great Britain / Speedo in miles, Headlamps for right-hand traffic, ... (?)
172: Tubeless steel-ply tires (?)
506: Brake servo and dual circuit brake warning light

Look at all my optional extra's, make your mouth water don't they.....

.....not!

Cheers
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great tool. I have a 1978 Microbus.

My M Plate:
82 043 074
618 732 733
T1D577 050 060 227 246
43 1 7143 UC 2218 61

Couple of issues with the decoder:

1. Production Date:
The decoder lists the production date as: October 30, 1977. Googling for the 43rd week in 1977 is October 24th, Monday. October 30, 1977 was a Sunday. According to the type2 list, a 1 is a Monday.

2. Paint Schemes:
I put in T1D577 and T1 D5 77 to see if it would help. It was only able to translate the interior scheme and material correctly. There was nothing for T1 or D5. T1 is Agate Brown L86Z and D5 is Dakota Beige L13A.

3. Code 246
was shown as ??? here, but I found with a search on the samba and found it as: Windshield fee from import-duty for USA (only with M89)

Wish someone knew what 732 and 733 are. Probably something really common since it seems to be popular. Maybe painted bumper front and back or something.

I too am an asp.net developer. Let me know if you'd like any assistance. Great tool.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1975 Kombi wrote:
You might need to show examples of m-code plates and where the number fit beside the app.


This helped me a lot figuring out where to put the numbers in the app.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1977_L63H_P27 wrote:
I just tried my '77. I believe you're getting close, but still have some things to work out Razz.

Here's my M-codes:
72 007 103

246

945134 D04 P27 073 227

33 2 7438 UH 2319 63

And a break down:
72 007 103

246 - Windscreen free from import duty for USA (with M89 only)
(M89 - laminated windscreenglass)


945134 9451 Sage green 34 camping green yellow

D04 - group code consisting of:
002 - with US specific sealed beam headlaps, for M027: with US specific carriers for catalysts (only with M524)
012 - exhaust emission control installation and speedometer in miles instead of km (with M524 only - 524 is USA and Canada specs)
067 - 12V 54A battery instead of standard 12V 45A battery
102 - rear window heating
206 - inner rear view mirror - anti dazzle


P27 - Campmobile deluxe with pop-up roof, folding spare tyre, combined gas/electric refridgerator ('76-'79)

073 - roof opening and reinforcement for Westfalia pop-up roof SO 73
227 - detachable headrests for all seats in cabin (with M161 only - M161 is seats in cabin with mountings for headrests!!)

33 2 - 33rd production week, 2nd day: 10 Sep 1976
7438 - production planning number
UH - destination code: USA - San Antonio/Houston
2319 - 23 = Kombi
1 = sliding door right / LHD
9 = Campmobile


63 - eng/tranny code - 2.0L/ 3 spd automatic

And here's what I got from your decoder:

Decode Results:
Production Date: August 21, 1976
Exported To: USA, port: Miami, FL (?)
Designation: VW Campmobile
Engine KW (BHP): 51 (70)
Transmission Type: manual
Engine: *
Transmission Code: 249
Extras Code: 609
Paint / Interior
Paint Scheme: sage Green
Paint Codes: L63H
Paint Notes: Code only used on Westfalia campers
Interior Scheme: light sand
Interior Material: leatherette
Interior Notes: -1968
Options
246: ???
D04: ???
P27: Westfalia interrior type P27
073: Pop-up roof campmobile
227: Detachable headrest in cab

The transmission and the interior are the only two mistakes I see, but there are a lot of omissions as well. Great programming tho'. I'm glad you have the patience for it Wink. Peace!


I'm trying to figure this out. The 33rd week of the year 1976 was in August. I do not understand how you reach a date in September in your manual decode. Type2.com states that the 70+ model's production codes are based on the calendar year as opposed to a production calendar.

A quote from type2.com:

"This number is not based on the production week but on the regular calendar. For example week 43 for a bus from modelyear 1978 is actually week 43 in 1977. A modelyear normally runs from August until July."

Also, can you point me to the resource that indicates that the UH destination code is Houston? (I'm not arguing--it's just that the type2.com site where I got all of my info is missing a lot of destination codes and I'd like to correct/add more for better accuracy).

M-Code 246: that's good stuff. Anywhere you guys see ??? marks, that means that the info is not in the database or is questionable, and if you have verified a source for that code, please refer me to it so that I can add it to the database. The more (accurate) codes we have, the better this will work.

M-Code D04: same as 246, I'd love to know where you got the details on this code, so I can add it to the database. This kind of stuff will really build out the system to make it better and better.

Also, the Model/Sales code is broken into two halves (per type2.com): A model code: 231 and sales code: 923. 923 was not listed there. I will add your specs to the database.

A note about M-Codes which designate a subset of M-Codes: As VW's list of M-Codes grew longer, they realized the limitations of a 3 digit M-Code. So, they started developing M-Codes that essentially represented a subset of M-Codes. So for instance M-Code XXX might represent an inclusion of M-Codes YYY and ZZZ. M-Codes which designate a subset of M-Codes are not automatically parsed out into a list at this time. The M-Code subset will be revealed to you in the form of 3 digit codes, but the system will not tell you what each sub M-Code means at this time. That may be version "2.0" or something Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveKingston wrote:
Great tool. I have a 1978 Microbus.

My M Plate:
82 043 074
618 732 733
T1D577 050 060 227 246
43 1 7143 UC 2218 61

Couple of issues with the decoder:

1. Production Date:
The decoder lists the production date as: October 30, 1977. Googling for the 43rd week in 1977 is October 24th, Monday. October 30, 1977 was a Sunday. According to the type2 list, a 1 is a Monday.

2. Paint Schemes:
I put in T1D577 and T1 D5 77 to see if it would help. It was only able to translate the interior scheme and material correctly. There was nothing for T1 or D5. T1 is Agate Brown L86Z and D5 is Dakota Beige L13A.

3. Code 246
was shown as ??? here, but I found with a search on the samba and found it as: Windshield fee from import-duty for USA (only with M89)

Wish someone knew what 732 and 733 are. Probably something really common since it seems to be popular. Maybe painted bumper front and back or something.

I too am an asp.net developer. Let me know if you'd like any assistance. Great tool.


Thanks Dave, I have added your paint codes. Also, if anyone does know what 732 and 733 are please, let me know so I can add them.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orangeena wrote:
Excellent pickle,

I worked out the M-plate last year, and your applet matches it perfectly, except I made the production date October 6th, 1972, but I am probably wrong.

32 NNN NNN

070751 A41 172 506
40 5 7033 EN 2140 31


Decode Results:
Production Date: October 12, 1972
Exported To: England
Designation: Delivery van
Engine KW (BHP): 51 (70); 49 (66)
Transmission Type: manual
Engine: 251
Transmission Code: -
Extras Code: -
Paint / Interior
Paint Scheme: brilliant orange
Paint Codes: L20B
Paint Notes:
Interior Scheme: dark beige
Interior Material: leatherette
Interior Notes:
Options
A41: Specifications for Great Britain / Speedo in miles, Headlamps for right-hand traffic, ... (?)
172: Tubeless steel-ply tires (?)
506: Brake servo and dual circuit brake warning light

Look at all my optional extra's, make your mouth water don't they.....

.....not!

Cheers
Max


Fantastic! Thanks Max!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My M-code plate:

12 052 120 E

040640 A01 042 508
40 5 7872 UW 2215 21

My decoder results:

Production Date: October 10, 1970
Exported To: USA, port: ???
Designation: 9 Seater Micro Bus
Engine KW (BHP): 35 (47)
Transmission Type: manual
Engine: 157
Transmission Code: -
Extras Code: 500
Paint / Interior
Paint Scheme: bottom: sierra yellow / upper half: pastel white
Paint Codes: L11H / L90D
Paint Notes: color combination for microbuses (type 22 and 24)
Interior Scheme: black
Interior Material: leatherette
Interior Notes: (1971-1972)
Options
A01: Specifications for the USA (?)
042: ???
508: With vent wings in passenger compart. opposite sliding door [F -- 211 2300 000] / With vent wing in sliding door and in all windows in the opposite side of panel [F 212 2000 001 -- 217 2300 000] / Sliding window in the sliding doorand in opposite side panel [F 218 2000 001 --] / Sliding window in the side panel opposite the sliding door [F 218 2000 001 --] / With vent wing in the double cab door and in the opposite side panel [F 212 2000 001 --]
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anchovy wrote:
My M-code plate:

12 052 120 E

040640 A01 042 508
40 5 7872 UW 2215 21

My decoder results:

Production Date: October 10, 1970
Exported To: USA, port: ???
Designation: 9 Seater Micro Bus
Engine KW (BHP): 35 (47)
Transmission Type: manual
Engine: 157
Transmission Code: -
Extras Code: 500
Paint / Interior
Paint Scheme: bottom: sierra yellow / upper half: pastel white
Paint Codes: L11H / L90D
Paint Notes: color combination for microbuses (type 22 and 24)
Interior Scheme: black
Interior Material: leatherette
Interior Notes: (1971-1972)
Options
A01: Specifications for the USA (?)
042: ???
508: With vent wings in passenger compart. opposite sliding door [F -- 211 2300 000] / With vent wing in sliding door and in all windows in the opposite side of panel [F 212 2000 001 -- 217 2300 000] / Sliding window in the sliding doorand in opposite side panel [F 218 2000 001 --] / Sliding window in the side panel opposite the sliding door [F 218 2000 001 --] / With vent wing in the double cab door and in the opposite side panel [F 212 2000 001 --]


Was it right?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PicklePickle, my comment/question might have gotten lost in my giant post on Page 2, so I'll repost it separately.

Using the 68-69 module:

The only issues I found are that my m-code plate denotes the December build date with DE, and the decoder only accepts it if I use D. And I don't know why it states this "Interior Notes: (1971-1972)"
I'm pretty sure my bus is a '69. Laughing Oh, and what does "Engine: 157" mean?

By the way, awesome work. This tool is going to go down in history as one of the most useful. The Splitty owners are gonna get jealous. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Automated M-Plate decoder NOW MO BETTA! (70+) Reply with quote

PicklePickle wrote:


Oh, and the page is only for bays...because I'm cold like that. Splitty owners will just have to do things the hard way. Twisted Evil




haha, you rule...thanks that is all.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baja Champ SE wrote:
PicklePickle, my comment/question might have gotten lost in my giant post on Page 2, so I'll repost it separately.

Using the 68-69 module:

The only issues I found are that my m-code plate denotes the December build date with DE, and the decoder only accepts it if I use D. And I don't know why it states this "Interior Notes: (1971-1972)"
I'm pretty sure my bus is a '69. Laughing Oh, and what does "Engine: 157" mean?

By the way, awesome work. This tool is going to go down in history as one of the most useful. The Splitty owners are gonna get jealous. Very Happy


Baja, actually I am not sure what the E really means as it doesn't actually appear to be part of the date but rather a piece of information included along with the date. If someone else, knows and has a reference source please fill me in. However, I have added code to strip the E automatically so that it will at least decode like it should.

As far as the correlation between 1971-72 and your bus, I'm not really sure either. It is just an interior note--note's seem to have all kinds of random information in them. I wouldn't worry about that part too much.

With engine 157, it's just an engine designation without much meaning to any of us who didn't work for VW 30 to 50 years ago!

Splitty owners jealous? I hope so, cause I'm sure jealous of their buses!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PicklePickle wrote:
Anchovy wrote:
My M-code plate:

12 052 120 E

040640 A01 042 508
40 5 7872 UW 2215 21

My decoder results:

Production Date: October 10, 1970
Exported To: USA, port: ???
Designation: 9 Seater Micro Bus
Engine KW (BHP): 35 (47)
Transmission Type: manual
Engine: 157
Transmission Code: -
Extras Code: 500
Paint / Interior
Paint Scheme: bottom: sierra yellow / upper half: pastel white
Paint Codes: L11H / L90D
Paint Notes: color combination for microbuses (type 22 and 24)
Interior Scheme: black
Interior Material: leatherette
Interior Notes: (1971-1972)
Options
A01: Specifications for the USA (?)
042: ???
508: With vent wings in passenger compart. opposite sliding door [F -- 211 2300 000] / With vent wing in sliding door and in all windows in the opposite side of panel [F 212 2000 001 -- 217 2300 000] / Sliding window in the sliding doorand in opposite side panel [F 218 2000 001 --] / Sliding window in the side panel opposite the sliding door [F 218 2000 001 --] / With vent wing in the double cab door and in the opposite side panel [F 212 2000 001 --]


Was it right?


Mostly, yes.

It is a 9 passenger, yellow and white with the vent windows as indicated with black interior. I am not sure if the zero in "A01" is a zero or an Oh. I haven't checked other M-code tables but think UW should be listed somewhere for the port of entry.

Why is one field in your table filled in with "UUUU"?

Thanks and cool tool.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Pickle. Interesting about the E designation. If someone has info on what it means, please fill us in.

And I wish I'd worked for VW 30 years ago...but alas I'm only an 18-year-old high school student.

And yes, I did use the word alas. Probably the only time I will ever. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PicklePickle wrote:
1977_L63H_P27 wrote:
I just tried my '77. I believe you're getting close, but still have some things to work out Razz.

Here's my M-codes:
72 007 103

246

945134 D04 P27 073 227

33 2 7438 UH 2319 63

And a break down:
72 007 103

246 - Windscreen free from import duty for USA (with M89 only)
(M89 - laminated windscreenglass)


945134 9451 Sage green 34 camping green yellow

D04 - group code consisting of:
002 - with US specific sealed beam headlaps, for M027: with US specific carriers for catalysts (only with M524)
012 - exhaust emission control installation and speedometer in miles instead of km (with M524 only - 524 is USA and Canada specs)
067 - 12V 54A battery instead of standard 12V 45A battery
102 - rear window heating
206 - inner rear view mirror - anti dazzle


P27 - Campmobile deluxe with pop-up roof, folding spare tyre, combined gas/electric refridgerator ('76-'79)

073 - roof opening and reinforcement for Westfalia pop-up roof SO 73
227 - detachable headrests for all seats in cabin (with M161 only - M161 is seats in cabin with mountings for headrests!!)

33 2 - 33rd production week, 2nd day: 10 Sep 1976
7438 - production planning number
UH - destination code: USA - San Antonio/Houston
2319 - 23 = Kombi
1 = sliding door right / LHD
9 = Campmobile


63 - eng/tranny code - 2.0L/ 3 spd automatic

And here's what I got from your decoder:

Decode Results:
Production Date: August 21, 1976
Exported To: USA, port: Miami, FL (?)
Designation: VW Campmobile
Engine KW (BHP): 51 (70)
Transmission Type: manual
Engine: *
Transmission Code: 249
Extras Code: 609
Paint / Interior
Paint Scheme: sage Green
Paint Codes: L63H
Paint Notes: Code only used on Westfalia campers
Interior Scheme: light sand
Interior Material: leatherette
Interior Notes: -1968
Options
246: ???
D04: ???
P27: Westfalia interrior type P27
073: Pop-up roof campmobile
227: Detachable headrest in cab

The transmission and the interior are the only two mistakes I see, but there are a lot of omissions as well. Great programming tho'. I'm glad you have the patience for it Wink. Peace!


I'm trying to figure this out. The 33rd week of the year 1976 was in August. I do not understand how you reach a date in September in your manual decode. Type2.com states that the 70+ model's production codes are based on the calendar year as opposed to a production calendar.

A quote from type2.com:

"This number is not based on the production week but on the regular calendar. For example week 43 for a bus from modelyear 1978 is actually week 43 in 1977. A modelyear normally runs from August until July."

Also, can you point me to the resource that indicates that the UH destination code is Houston? (I'm not arguing--it's just that the type2.com site where I got all of my info is missing a lot of destination codes and I'd like to correct/add more for better accuracy).

M-Code 246: that's good stuff. Anywhere you guys see ??? marks, that means that the info is not in the database or is questionable, and if you have verified a source for that code, please refer me to it so that I can add it to the database. The more (accurate) codes we have, the better this will work.

M-Code D04: same as 246, I'd love to know where you got the details on this code, so I can add it to the database. This kind of stuff will really build out the system to make it better and better.

Also, the Model/Sales code is broken into two halves (per type2.com): A model code: 231 and sales code: 923. 923 was not listed there. I will add your specs to the database.

A note about M-Codes which designate a subset of M-Codes: As VW's list of M-Codes grew longer, they realized the limitations of a 3 digit M-Code. So, they started developing M-Codes that essentially represented a subset of M-Codes. So for instance M-Code XXX might represent an inclusion of M-Codes YYY and ZZZ. M-Codes which designate a subset of M-Codes are not automatically parsed out into a list at this time. The M-Code subset will be revealed to you in the form of 3 digit codes, but the system will not tell you what each sub M-Code means at this time. That may be version "2.0" or something Smile


I can't take credit for the manual decoding. dwill49965 did it for me in the m-code help thread, and he gets all his info from "VW Transporter and Microbus Specification Guide 1967-1979" by Vincent Molenaar and Alexander Prinz, The Crowood Press Ltd, 2005.

As for the production date, there I can't be sure because I'm not sure how they count it. The sticker inside the drivers door jamb says "incomplete in 8/76" complete date is 9/76. I'm inclined to go with the Sept. 10 date as it coincides with the complete date. I hope some of this info helps your project. Did you sort out the code for the auto transmission? Peace!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PicklePickle wrote:

Baja, actually I am not sure what the E really means as it doesn't actually appear to be part of the date but rather a piece of information included along with the date. If someone else, knows and has a reference source please fill me in. However, I have added code to strip the E automatically so that it will at least decode like it should.


It designates that the bus was made in Emden, not Hannover. "This happened in the period December 1967 to April 1973, when the factory in Hannover had more work than it could handle"

From VW Transporter and Microbus Specification Guide 1967-1979 by Vincent Molenaar and Alexander Prinz
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the 70+ Do we use spaces or no? Also are the letters case sensitive? when i hit the decode button it just refreshes the page, what is it supposed to do?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rustybutterknife wrote:
For the 70+ Do we use spaces or no? Also are the letters case sensitive? when i hit the decode button it just refreshes the page, what is it supposed to do?


Same here. Nothing happens.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rustybutterknife wrote:
For the 70+ Do we use spaces or no? Also are the letters case sensitive? when i hit the decode button it just refreshes the page, what is it supposed to do?


Sorry about that guys. I made a change earlier to the production date processing and it screwed up something that made the decode results not show. I have fixed it. Spaces and case sensitivity do not matter.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jereandjess wrote:
PicklePickle wrote:

Baja, actually I am not sure what the E really means as it doesn't actually appear to be part of the date but rather a piece of information included along with the date. If someone else, knows and has a reference source please fill me in. However, I have added code to strip the E automatically so that it will at least decode like it should.


It designates that the bus was made in Emden, not Hannover. "This happened in the period December 1967 to April 1973, when the factory in Hannover had more work than it could handle"

From VW Transporter and Microbus Specification Guide 1967-1979 by Vincent Molenaar and Alexander Prinz


Good information. I hadn't heard that some buses were made outside of Hanover during that time period.
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