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coolparts Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2004 Posts: 194
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: split window rear glass logo ? |
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what year did sekurit start using there logo on the split window rear glass? i was told it was only on the zwitters. is this true? |
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RichOakley Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2004 Posts: 1108 Location: Midlands, UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: Re: split window rear glass logo ? |
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coolparts wrote: |
what year did sekurit start using there logo on the split window rear glass? i was told it was only on the zwitters. is this true? |
Don't know if KdF's had the SEKURIT logo, but early post-war Type 11s did. |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9359 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: |
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I think this was covered here before and the consensus was that the logo didn't appear on the rear glass until very late splits....
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that. Search the forum ..... _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
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RichOakley Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2004 Posts: 1108 Location: Midlands, UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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franklinunes Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: |
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My both splits, one from 51 and 52 none has the sekurit logo, I repeat none of the cars have the logo in the rear split window, the others windows from the car's have it, so I supposed, that rumors about zwitters can be true.
I really don't know, I am not expert, just the facts from my cars, maybe others have it.
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Frank |
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VWwerks Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 207 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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I know of an original December 52 with the logo. _________________ www.VWwerks.com |
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GermanRust52 Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2005 Posts: 352
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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I have a Zwitter from December 1952 and no logos on the rear windows. |
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kevm Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2004 Posts: 263 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: Rear glass |
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As John has said this has been covered before and there is alot of different opinions. I have owned 2 splits (hardtops), a 47 which also came with spare glass from another 47 (i have the logbook from the scrapped car) and both these sets have the SEKURIT markings and a Jan 51 which was a very original car and almost certainly had original glass, this also had SEKURIT markings. Interesting to note the Font spacing is different on the very early glass.
As others have stated their cars do not have the logos so I think both were used.
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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my original oct '51 has no logos. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Splitdog Samba Split Personality
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 4124 Location: Planet VW
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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April and September 51's. No logos. _________________ CH³NO²
Z = z² + C
Der Blitzkrieg Kafers
#notacallooker |
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Brezelwerks Samba Member
Joined: March 17, 2003 Posts: 1421 Location: Tyngsboro, MA
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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My past 3 splits, two 50's, one 51, no logos in the rear glass, and all were tempered glass, not later aftermarket glass. Nearly all 50-53 splits I've ever seen here and in Europe (prior to repro tempered glass being available) had no logos in the rear glass.
Seem to recall that prior consensus on this was that all pre-50 splits had glass with logos, no logos after that out of the factory at least. No clear read if replacement glass from the dealer in 50-53 had logos or not, but I tend to believe that replacement glass would have had logos to ensure the glass met safety standards, and to prevent cheaper plate glass from being installed but sold as safety glass.
Just a hunch here but I can see how the factory might have been able to order glass from Sekurit without logos just to save a few pennies, but still have it documented that the rear glass from the factory met safety standards, again just a hunch, anything to save a few pennies though as production volumes started to ramp up though, especially on glass that likely was not prone to being broken too often. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Mark Brutto at BFY told me years ago that the rear glass was plate glass.
My car has plate glass rear windows that are original. They both have curvy cracks where lightning hit the garage where the car sat for many years. Something burning from the roof fell on the back of the car including the rear glass causing it to crack. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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coolparts Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2004 Posts: 194
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP. I GUESS MY FREIND HERE IS RIGHT. ONLY THE SPLITS WITH THE METAL MOULDINGS IN THE REAR RUBBERS HAD THE LOGO. |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9359 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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I've never seen rear glass without tong marks, indicating that (at least the glass I have seen) is tempered and not plate glass.
Neither my '50, nor my '51 have logos, but both have tong marks and as such are tempered.
There is a fairly new horizontal tempering process that can create tempered glass without tong marks, but it was not used in the 50s. _________________ John Henry
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splitpartsunlimited Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2006 Posts: 1251 Location: Good Ol`Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:12 am Post subject: |
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my split (mid 1951 ) has no engraved rear glasses ....none of the splits available down here have them ... _________________ in my Garage:
1951 crotch cooler split
1971 1302 cabriolet
1981 Mercedes Benz 230 military "Gelandewagen"
2010 Mercedes Benz c200 kompressor touring |
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kevm Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2004 Posts: 263 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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coolparts wrote: |
THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP. I GUESS MY FREIND HERE IS RIGHT. ONLY THE SPLITS WITH THE METAL MOULDINGS IN THE REAR RUBBERS HAD THE LOGO. |
Not true, read my post, if most of those on here are talking about cars for the US market maybe they had no logo or different glass but I have 3 sets of split glass with SEKURIT markings and I am sure they are from the year cars I have stated if not its very unlikely they are all from Zwitters. |
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franklinunes Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:27 am Post subject: |
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kevm wrote: |
coolparts wrote: |
THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP. I GUESS MY FREIND HERE IS RIGHT. ONLY THE SPLITS WITH THE METAL MOULDINGS IN THE REAR RUBBERS HAD THE LOGO. |
Not true, read my post, if most of those on here are talking about cars for the US market maybe they had no logo or different glass but I have 3 sets of split glass with SEKURIT markings and I am sure they are from the year cars I have stated if not its very unlikely they are all from Zwitters. |
My splits from 51 and 52(from August) no logo and in Europe, export models to Portugal.
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Frank |
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RichOakley Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Original glass in mine..
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Splitdog Samba Split Personality
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 4124 Location: Planet VW
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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What year?^^^ _________________ CH³NO²
Z = z² + C
Der Blitzkrieg Kafers
#notacallooker |
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RichOakley Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Splitdog wrote: |
What year?^^^ |
Sept '47. |
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